details of getting up the ticket. I am not sure that it was a white ticket, but give that as my impression.

Q. You think it was not tinted with the stripes upon the back of it?— A. I should think not. If anybody stated it was not a white ticket, I should say that he knew better than I did; but I think it was a white ticket.

Q. What is the proportion of foreign workmen to those of American birth in the mills?-A. My opinion would not be good for much. We have a large foreign population there, but they blend so much that I cannot give an opinion.

Q. Is there quite a number of Democrats working in the mills?—A. Yes.

Q. Are they known and recognized as such ?-A. Yes.

Q. Was the influence which you sought to have exercised by the gentlemen whom you called together to be exercised upon those men ?— A. There was no one specified. It was to be all the influence that they could get; that is to say, "all the votes you have, gentlemen."

Q. Was any influence exercised to take votes from Talbot?-A. I do not know. We supposed we would have four or five hundred of what they called "the straight Democratic votes." I do not know whether we did get them or not. The canvass came out just about as I predicted it would. I thought that we should have about five hundred majority. We had 576, I think.

By Mr. PLATT:

Q. What was the preceding election at which you had about the same majority-five hundred?-A. It was the governor's election. We had a pretty hard contest then. I cannot remember what it was that made the contest such a hard one, but I remember that I thought it was a life and death struggle. I do not recollect what the issue was, but there was some reason, I know that, why we thought it very important to carry the State the year before.

GEORGE G. CROCKER recalled.

The WITNESS (responding to inquiries addressed to him when previously on the stand relative to the so-called manufacturers' circular asking for a thorough canvass of employés, &c.). The date of the meeting at which General Butler brought out the circular was October 23, 1878, and the meeting was held at Faneuil Hall. The denials of the chairman and State committee appeared in the afternoon papers of October 24 and morning papers of October 25.

By the CHAIRMAN:

Q. Can you now give the date of the meeting at the Parker House ?— A. I do not know it.

Q. Was it prior or subsequent to the date you have given ?—A. I cannot tell.

By Mr. McDONALD :

Q. Can you furnish the committee with a copy of the card of denial that was published?-A. It appeared in the Boston Advertiser of October 25 and in the evening papers of the previous day. In regard to my statement of the way in which the ballots in the matter of Congressman, &c., were printed, I wish to say I have found that my recollection

was somewhat at fault. I have looked up some of the ballots and found that they were of this nature. I will say first that it was supposed at the time that there were many Democrats in Mr. Morse's district who were not going to vote for him, and were going to vote for the Republi can candidate. Therefore it was important for the opposition to provide against scratches or pasters. Consequently the Democratic ticket in some of the wards of the district-I do not know that it was so in all-was printed with Mr. Morse's name on in the regular place, and at another point, at the bottom, in fine type the same name; so that if the voter pasted over the name where it first occurred, intending to vote for the Republican candidate, his wishes would not be carried out. I have here one of the tickets of which I speak. It is a regular Democratic ticket with Mr. Morse's name printed in one place in very large type, and farther down in very small type the following: "For Representative in Congress, Leopold Morse, of Boston."

By the CHAIRMAN:

Q. Do you know of any special cause for that name being so printed? -A. There was a disaffection among the Democrats; it was feared that they were going to scratch his name, and the idea was that if they should scratch it in one place they would not see it in another, and that their scratching would not do any harm.

Q. Do you know what Republican had charge of the disaffection among the Democrats?-A. I do not.

Q. Do you know of any money being paid to produce that disaffection?-A. No; that disaffection as I heard of it originated in this, that they thought Mr. Morse had not done as much for them after he had been elected, that is, during the term which he did serve, as he ought to have done.

Q. Do you not know that a certain Republican of the city was operat ing in the Democratic party in that district with money to produce the very result of which you speak?-A. I do not know who it was. Of course all Republicans were working to accomplish the result that they hoped for.

Q. Do you know of any Republican in the city who was operating with money to produce that result in that district?-A. No.

Q. Do you know a Mr. Sowden ?-A. Yes.

Q. Is he a Republican or Democrat?—A. A Republican.

Q. Do you know whether he attempted to exercise influence of any character in producing disaffection among the Democrats in that district-A. I do not.

Q. Do you know in any way of his having paid money to voters in that district for that or any other purpose?-A. For the purpose of creating disaffection?

Q. For the purpose of getting Democrats to vote against Mr. Morse? -A. No; I did not keep the run of it, of what he was doing.

Q. Did he or any one else tell you that he was connected with it?A. No.

Q. You know nothing of it, then?-A. He was at work for the Republican party.

Q. Mr. Sowden was?—A. Yes.

Q. What then?-A. I suppose he worked in all the proper ways for him to get votes.

Q. Then it was a proper way for him to work in that way; that is, to use money?-A. Well, certain methods he used; I do not know whether he did or not.

Q. Was he detailed by the State central committee for that purpose? -A. No.

Q. Had he any connection with the State central committee?—A. No; I think not. I think he is on the committee for the district, and that is not appointed by the State central committee.

Q. He was connected with the Republican committee of the district-A. Yes.

Q. Do you know whether he got any money from the State central committee for any such purpose?-A. I do not. It was our rule not to give any money for any such purpose.

Q. Do you know where the money used for any such purpose, if any was used, came from?-A. I suppose from the treasurer of the State central committee.

Q. But money thus used entered into the aggregate that you say passed through the funds of the State central committee?—A. I did not make any statement in regard to that, it was Mr. Thayer. I do not know what it was that he included. I suppose it would not.

Q. Do you not know now that the use of four hundred dollars was given to Mr. Sowden in that district to be used among Democrats?—A. No.

Q. Have you heard of it?—A. I have heard of some stories of money expended, but I do not know what the amounts were, nor how it was expended, nor anything about it.

Q. Did you hear of Mr. Sowden having expended money?—A. No, I did not. I presume that he expended money, I have no doubt he did, but my information on that subject is not sufficiently definite to be of any value to the committee.

By Mr. McDONALD:

Q. What ward or wards in Mr. Morse's district was it understood that there was a disaffection in ?-A. No particular ward that I know of. Q. In what part of the city ?-A. In the North End and in the South Cove district.

Q. You say it was understood that there was a disaffectionn in a part of his district. How did you understand that?-A. I heard so from various quarters.

Q. What did you hear about it?-A. O, that this man, that man, and the other man had not been properly treated by him and were not going to vote for him, and so forth. I heard the names of persons about whom I did not know anything.

Q. That information was brought to the Republican committee, was it?—A. It was. I do not remember where I heard the news, perhaps on the street, perhaps in the committee-room.

Q. Where did you pick up these ballots which you have brought in here?-A. I found those in my office. My partner had one.

Q. You say that those ballots were printed for the purpose of counteracting that disaffection ?-A. That is what I suppose.

Q. Why do you suppose that?-A. That seems to be a natural inference.

Q. That is your supposition simply. You have no evidence of it except simply that Mr. Morse's name is twice printed upon the ballot, once in large letters and once in small letters?-A. It operated so, Í know, too.

Q. How do you know that it operated so? Do you know of any case where a party scratched Mr. Morse's name out where it was printed in large type (leaving the name in the small type), and that the ballot was

still counted for Mr. Morse ?-A. I believe that that was investigated and a report found.

Q. I am not talking about reports, I am asking for your information. -A. No, I did not go around on that day so as to be able to investigate it.

Q. You do not know of your own knowledge that anything of that occurred on that day of the election ?-A. No.

Q. And your explanation of this ballot is simply your own inference? -A. My own inference.

Q. That ballot, you say, was found by your partner in your office. Was it brought in there during the canvass or during the election day? -A. I do not know. He saved it as a curiosity.

Q. When did you first see a ballot with that one name upon it printed twice in that way?-A. I cannot say that I ever saw it before to-day. I might have seen it when he brought the ballot home that night and might not.

Q. You did not see it on election day that you have any recollection of-A. I saw a similar one on election day.

Q. Had you seen one similar to the one here before the election day? -A. No.

Q. When your committee understood that there was some disaffection toward Mr. Morse in his district, what action did it take for the purpose of working up, utilizing, and getting the benefit of that disaffection?— A. The Republican State committee does not take any hand except in a general way in the separate Congressional districts; those are all managed by Congressional committees.

Q. Who was chairman of the Congressional committee in Mr. Morse's district?-A. I think Mr. Sowden was.

Q. Did not your committee confer with the chairman and members of the general committee with reference to matters of local interest in their districts-A. We talk over matters with them from time to time.

Q. Do you recollect of talking over this matter with Mr. Sowden ?— A. No.

Q. Was it ever a subject of discussion between you and Mr. Sowden?-A. I do not think we ever spoke of it.

Q. Was the subject ever discussed in the committee, or by any members of the committee, as to how this disaffection could be best utilized?-A. I could not say.

Q. Was it not thought that a little money or whisky, or something of that kind, might be of great benefit?-A. I never heard any such suggestion.

Q. You knew at that time that whisky had a very potent influence in the elections in this city?-A. I did.

Q. How did it happen that you did not use that potent power?—A. It may have occurred to us.

Q. Was it acted on?-A. No, sir.

Q. If it occurred to you and was not acted upon, I would like you to give the reasons why you discarded that potent influence ?-A. As far as I am myself concerned, I should not ever use that influence, because I do not think it is a proper influence to bring in.

Q. If it would enable you to utilize, increase, and strengthen that disaffection which you say you understood to exist in the district, would you discard it as one of the instrumentalities of salvation?-A. I would.

ELI THAYER sworn and examined.

By the CHAIRMAN:

Question. Where do you live?-Answer. In Worcester.

Q. Have you been a member of Congress from Massachusetts ?-A. Yes; from the ninth district.

Q. Were you in the canvass of 1878-A. I was. In 1878 I was a candidate for Congress, having been nominated by the Democratic party.

Q. Did you visit Manchaug Village ?—A. I did, and spoke there.

Q. Who had spoken there prior to your being there?-A. The Republican candidate for Congress, Mr. Rice.

Q. In what county is that?-A. It is in Worcester County. The village is in the town of Sutton.

Q. Is it a manufacturing village?-A. It is.

Q. What is the character of the manufactures ?-A. Some textile fabrics.

Q. Where had the Republican candidate for Congress spoken ?—A. I was told that he had spoken in the hall owned by the corporation.

Q. Did you ask leave to speak in the hall ?—A. I did not; but I was informed by my friends there, by political friends, that they had made application for the hall and were refused.

Q. How long was this after your opponent had spoken there?—A. I am unable to say exactly; I believe, a few weeks.

Q. Who was he?—A. W. W. Rice, the present member. I believe he made his opening speech in Manchaug before I was nominated. A few weeks afterwards I went there to speak.

Q. Is the hall there owned by a corporation ?—A. I am told so.
Mr. BLAIR objected.

The CHAIRMAN remarked that other witnesses would be called to prove the fact.

Q. Where did you speak?-A. It was proposed that I should speak in the open air, from the balcony in front of a house, and the people had begun to assemble in the street in front, but, the weather becoming suddenly very boisterous and rough, and the audience having just come out of the heated rooms of a mill, I proposed that we should go to a barn on the other side of the street, which proposition was acceded to and carried out.

Q. You spoke in the barn?-A. I spoke in the barn.

Q. Of what class was the audience mainly composed?-A. Of the operatives in the mill.

Q. Who was with you on that occasion ?—A. Mr. Mellen, of Worces ter. He accompanied me several times in the campaign.

Q. Did the same thing occur in the campaign of 1876 ?—A. In 1876 I made no speeches. I was a candidate in 1874, I think.

Q. Do you know of the Boston Herald newspaper?—A. I see it occasionally.

Q. Do you know who were its candidates at the governor's election last year?-A. The Republican candidates were its candidates.

Q. Did you cut from that paper as an editorial the article now shown you?-A. (Referring to a newspaper cutting.) This article I have had in my pocket ever since the campaign until this morning. I either ent it from the Boston Herald or it was handed to me by some friend who said he had cut it from the Boston Herald. I believe it was an editorial; at least, I have so regarded it.

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