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Kight, Morris, letter to House of Representatives, subcommittee, dated Kowansky, Adelaide V., president, District of Columbia ladies auxiliary, Catholic War Veterans, U.S.A., letter to members of the Committee on Nicholas, Peter Stephen, member, Stonewall (Gay) Democratic Club, Gay Rights Chapter Elected Member to the Board of Directors of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California, letter to sub- SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF CHILDREN FRIDAY, MAY 27, 1977 U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SUBCOMMITTEE ON SELECT EDUCATION OF THE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND LABOR, The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:32 a.m., in the Student Union Building, University of California at Los Angeles, Los Angeles, Calif., Hon. George Miller presiding. Members present: Representatives Miller, Heftel, Kildee, and Jeffords. Staff also present: Jack G. Duncan, counsel; Joan M. Godley, staff assistant; Dr. Martin L. LaVor, minority legislative associate; and Karen Johnson, legislative assistant to Congressman Miller. Mr. MILLER. The committee will come to order. I am Congressman George Miller of California. I will be chairing these hearings at the request of Congressman John Brademas of Indiana, who is the chairman of the Subcommittee on Select Education. It will be the purpose of the committee meeting this afternoon to take testimony from individuals regarding the problem of the sexual exploitation and the sexual abuse of young children, both for the purposes of commercial endeavors, the sale and the making of pornographic material, and also the abuse and the exploitation of these young children within other settings in our society, also including the problems of sexual exploitation and abuse within the family. The committee is embarked upon a series of hearings, in conjunction with the House Committee on the Judiciary, to look at this problem. We have jurisdiction over the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act, and we will be looking at it from certainly that point of view, also in conjunction with the point of view of the questions of obscenity. The Judiciary Committee is looking at the problems in terms of criminal ramifications, the questions of penal sanctions, and also the questions of the first amendment. They have held two hearings in Washington, D.C. This is our first hearing in the field. On Tuesday, the committee will be going to New York City to hold hearings there, and later in the month we will also be holding hearings in Washington, D.C. One member of the subcommittee, Mr. Kildee of Michigan has legislation which would affect this area, and which has been offered as a suggested amendment to the Child Abuse Act, and it is under the auspices of considering the merits of that legislation, either as it stands by itself, or as an amendment to the Child Abust Act, in which these hearings were convened. (1) And I want to thank all of the Witnesses who have made their time available to the subcommittee to try to enlighten us as to the extent, the ramifications, of this problem, and what we might do in terms of trying to provide some help to those individuals who find themselves in this situation, and also, possibly, to local jurisdictions who find that they must deal with it on a day-to-day basis. I would like, now, to ask any members of the subcommittee if they have any statements that they would like to make before we call our first witness. Mr. MILLER. Mr. Kildee? STATEMENT OF CONGRESSMAN DALE E. KILDEE OF MICHIGAN Mr. KILDEE. Thank you, Chairman Miller. These hearings are being held because John Brademas felt that there is a problem. We wanted to make sure that whatever legislation we might draft would have a full airing, so we would really address ourselves to a real solution to the problem. The bill which I have introduced would make it a Federal crime, a felony, to sexually abuse children for the purpose of obtaining photographs or films with reason to believe that those films will be sent through interstate commerce. It also, in effect, would declare that the person selling those films that have been received through interstate commerce is an accessory to child abuse, that unless there is an outlet for the evil fruits of that child abuse-that is, for photographs or films-there is really no profit in it. So, we have tried to look at the entire chain, the sexual abuse, the use of the camera in front of that sexual abuse, the sending through interstate commerce, and then declare, really, in effect, as contraband, the results of that. And I believe that you cannot argue that the person who is selling those fruits of child abuse, the photographs, you cannot argue, in my mind, that that person is not an accessory to child abuse. And if we stop the sale, we stop, really, most of the reasons for producing the pornography in the first place. Thank you, Mr. Miller. Mr. MILLER. Thank you. Mr. Jeffords? STATEMENT OF CONGRESSMAN JAMES JEFFORDS OF VERMONT Mr. JEFFORDS. It is a pleasure to be here, and I would just like to say that I will be equally concerned about certain aspects of the particular legislation and the problems that we are faced with from the point of view of trying to find out what constitutes child abuse, what it is we are trying to deter, and whether or not we can come up with something that effectively does that. There is always a tendency to pass laws, but oftentimes we pass the law, and it does not contribute anything to taking care of the problem. I also strongly believe that, as far as the pornography aspects are concerned, this is only a small part of a greater problem. Our committee, being concerned with child abuse generally, should be as concerned or more concerned with the child abuse problem and the sexual abuse as it affects the children rather than, perhaps, the criminal |