WEST, CAMPBELL, TUTTLE, ROOT.

he has been acquainted with the institution from its infancy, as he says, now some sixteen or eighteen years old, whether he knows of a single instance where an imbecile and idiotic youth has been so educated and. trained as that he has been fit for the transaction of public business, and to meet the storms and trials of the world, upon which he is soon intended to | embark?

Mr. WEST. I will answer the gentleman very cheerfully. I do not believe such an instance as that has ever occurred upon this broad earth.

Mr. CAMPBELL. That is all.

Mr. WEST. I do not believe that the time well ever come when one of those children ever can be brought to that condition where he or she will become a man or woman with the mind of a man or woman; but I do say that it is an opportunity to bestow the benevolence of the great State of Ohio. I say it is an incentive of our common humanity and our common philanthropy that the State of Ohio shall take into her arms and relieve mothers and fathers of the care of this unfortunate class with whom God Almighty has visited them, and take charge of them as they take charge of the curable and incurable insane.

Mr. CAMPBELL. If the gentleman will allow me, right here, I will say this, that I will go as far as any one in that line, and that there has, at no time, been a proposition emanating from the standing Committee on Public Institutions to obliterate the idiotic asylum-not at all. It is not proposed by them that it should be done. On the contrary, that it shall be left just precisely as we find it, to be continued and not abolished.

Mr. WEST. I understand, and I have never intimated or suggested the contrary, that the great heart of that committee does comprehend and embrace these unfortunates. I know it does. I would scorn to intimate any thing to

the contrary. I know it does, and I know the perpetual and endless struggle of that institution in the Legislature

Mr. CAMPBELL. If the gentleman will allow me, I think it grows out of the fact that there has been an effort to do that which is not within the limits of human power to accomplish, that is to educate them in such a way as to send them out into the world, as I said a moment ago; and it is that feature, if the gentleman will allow me, it is proposed that from that institution which seeks to accomplish that which has cost the vast amount of money to be expended to educate them in such a way as will make them become members of society and able to take care of themselves.

Mr. TUTTLE. I wish that the gentleman from Logan [Mr. WEST] would give way. I believe it would subserve the interests of this discussion.

Mr. CAMPBELL.

allow me, I will move that the Convention do If the gentleman will now take a recess, until to-morrow at 11 o'clock, A. M.

The motion was not agreed to.

Mr. ROOT. I would like to make an inquiry of the gentleman from Logan [Mr. WEST] whether he desires to retain the floor longer? One thing more, if I may do so. I hope we may have a general understanding here, that after hearing from the gentleman from Logan [Mr. WEST] that further consideration of this subject be postponed until Tuesday next. I move that the subject now before the Convention be made a special order for Tuesday next, at eleven o'clock A. M., and for each succeeding day thereafter, until disposed of.

Mr. WEST. I would amend by substituting Wednesday for Tuesday.

Which was agreed to.

The motion as amended was agreed to.
On motion of Mr. CAMPBELL,
The Convention adjourned.

SCRIBNER, Hoadly.

ELEVEN O'CLOCK A. M.

THIRTIETH DAY.

SATURDAY, JUNE 21, 1873.

Which were referred to the Select Committee

The Convention re-assembled pursuant to ad- on Female Suffrage. journment.

The PRESIDENT. The SECRETARY will

proceed to call the Roll, there being no Clergyman present this morning.

Leave of absence was asked and obtained, for Messrs. HERRON, MUELLER and HALE, for to-day; for Messrs. GODFREY, TOWNSEND and FORAN, until next Tuesday; for Mr. HOSTETTER, until next Tuesday evening; for Mr. BYAL, until next Wednesday; for Messrs. VAN VALKENBURGH and PEASE, until Monday; and for Mr.

The Roll was called, and sixty-eight members answered to their names.

Mr. KECK was absent without leave.

Messrs. ADAIR, ALBRIGHT, ALEXANDER, BANNON, BOSWORTH, CALDWELL, CARBERY, CLARK of Jefferson, COOK, FREIBERG, GARDNER, GODFREY, GRISWOLD, HALE, HERRON, HOSTETTER, HUMPHREVILLE, JOHNSON, MCBRIDE, MCCORMICK, MERRILL, MILLER, MUELLER, MULLEN, RICKLY, SCOFIELD, TOWNSEND, TUTTLE, TYLER, VAN VALKENBURGH, WADDLE, WATSON, WEAVER, WILSON, and YOUNG of Noble, were absent by

eave.

The Journal of yesterday was read and approved.

PETITIONS, MEMORIALS, AND REMONSTRANCES. The following petitions, memorials and remonstrances were presented and referred as indicated:

By Mr. NEAL: The petition of J. B. Anderson, and 138 other citizens of Highland county, praying for a constitutional provision prohibiting electors, under fifty-five years of age, from voting without having performed two days' work upon the roads.

Which was referred to the Committee on County and Township Organizations.

By Mr. TOWNSLEY: The memorial of Hattie Q. Browne, and forty-nine other citizens of Greene county, praying that the word "male" be stricken from that portion of the Constitution defining the qualifications of an elector.

Which was referred to the Special Committee on Female Suffrage.

By Mr. PEASE: The petition of Rev. P. K. Brown, and seventy other citizens of Mt. Union and Alliance, Stark county, praying that the Constitution be amended so that no citizen be denied the right of suffrage except for crime or insanity.

Also, the petitions of Samuel W. Pearson, and fifty other citizens of Chillicothe, Ross county, and J. J. Boon, and fifty-seven other citizens of Salem, Columbiana county, both on the same subject.

By Mr. VAN VOORHIS: The memorial of A. R. Chapman, and seventy-eight other citizens proper provision for submitting to the popular of Ohio, asking the Convention to make the vote the proposition for striking the word

"male" from the State Constitution.

Which was referred to the Select Committee on Female Suffrage.

from J. W. Scott, of Toledo, Ohio, in reference By the PRESIDENT: A communication to the importance of art culture in the public

schools of Ohio.

Which was referred to the Committee on Education.

By Mr. THOMPSON: The remonstrance of James Holden, and 224 other citizens of Warren County, remonstrating against the prayer of for the formation of a new county, to be comthe petitions now before the Convention, asking posed, in part, of territory now belonging to the county of Warren. Legislative Department.

Which was referred to the Committee on the

RELATING TO THE REVISION OF SPEECHES.

Mr. SCRIBNER submitted the following Report:

The Committee on Reporting and Publication, to which was referred Resolution No. 79, by Mr. HOADLY, relative to correcting debates, having had the same under consideration, recommend its adoption. Said Resolution being as follows:

Resolution No. 79:

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Mr. HOADLY. It is proper I should say, although but three members of the Reporting and Publication Committee have signed the report, in consequence of the Delegate from Guernsey, [Mr. ALBRIGHT], the chairman of the Committee, and the Delegate from Cuyahoga, [Mr. GRISWOLD], being being from the Resolution has been referred, however, to the city: the Chairman and received his support. The Resolution originated in an inquiry from the official printer of the debates, who suggested the extreme difficulty that would arise, and the expense to the State, if after the manuscript was in proof, other changes were made than simply correcting the proof. When the manuscript has gone to the printer, and he has gone

HOADLY, ROOT, BURNS, CLARK of R., HILL.

to the expense of composition in setting up the type, to allow changes is to entitle him to a just additional compensation, and to create further delay in laying the printed matter before the members of the Convention. Hence, it is thought by the Committee better that such corrections as are sought to be made should be made before the expense of type-setting is incurred, and that the Resolution which allows to the members of the Convention reasonable access to the manuscript for correction, but denies any permission to add, as it would be extremely unfair to add, what had not been said, while the report remains in manuscript, to allow reasonable access without unnecessary delay, and then forbid changes after the typesetting has been done, is a Resolution that ought to demand the support of the Convention. Mr. ROOT. I have, perhaps, not given the close attention I ought to the words of the Resolution, but I have failed to discover how much time was deemed reasonable. The Resolution says all members shall have equal

access.

Mr. HOADLY. Reasonable access. Mr. ROOT. Is there nothing more definite than that?

Mr. HOADLY. There is not. It was supposed that what "reasonable access" is, would be left to adjust itself by the convenience of members of the Convention seeking the Reports. If there is any practical proposition of à definite character, in detail, defining “reasonable access," I should be glad, individually, to meet his views.

Mr. ROOT. I do not wish to propose anything. I only wish to know how definite, how secure our right to examine the reports of our speeches might be. I do not know that anything better can be provided, but I think this is about as secure and about as good a remedy as can be devised.

Mr. HOADLY. Possibly the gentleman from Erie [Mr. Rooт] may be right: but as the execution of this resolution is always in our power, if there is no practical proposition at this moment to define it in detail, a little experience will furnish a remedy, by a subsequent resolution prescribing what shall be "reasonable access." The Delegate from Richland [Mr. BURNS] asks me the question: Suppose there is a dispute between the Reporter and a Delegate as to what was said, how shall it be settled? I submit that these difficulties will settle themselves.

Mr. BURNS. That is not quite right. Suppose the Reporter insists it was not said at all. Mr. HOADLY. I suppose questions of that kind may arise. I do not apprehend they will arise, but I suppose they may be adjusted by the I am reConvention when they do arise. minded by several gentlemen that the original resolution provides that such questions shall be settled by the Convention.

The PRESIDENT. I would refer the gentleman to the resolution adopted upon the report of the Standing Committee on Reporting and Publication.

"Whenever a member of the Convention shall be of the opinion he is incorrectly reported, he may apply to the reporter for the correction; in case of a disagreement between them, the matter may be brought before the Convention for decision.

[SATURDAY,

Mr. BURNS. Supposing he desires to add a sentence, or a paragraph, left out altogether? Mr. HOADLY. That is met by the Resolution. It forbids the addition of new matter, not the supplying of matter really said, but omitted in the report.

Mr. CLARK, of Ross. As there are but sixty-seven members present, and the matter is one which all are deeply interested in, it seems to me it would be better not to press the Resolution to-day. I make a motion to lay it on the table.

Mr. GREENE. I hope not. The printer wishes This matter to commence his work at once. can be settled in two or three weeks' experience. The motion to lay on the table was not agreed

to.

Mr. HILL. The rule in Congress, I believe, and in almost all deliberative bodies, is, that the speaker shall have access to the manuscript report of his speech. The object of the Committee, in this instance, is simply to give the speaker an opportunity to revise the verbiage. Sometimes a sentence is broken and spoiled by haste on the part of the speaker. However, to add new matter after the debate, would put other speakers in a bad position, because advantage might be taken of after-thought in the revision of the speech. It might put another speaker in a bad light. We think, as a Committee, it would be improper to permit anything of that kind, viz: that any new matter, any new facts, should be added to the speech. But the revisory power, making the language more elegant-all good reporters do that-is his The speaker might have a choice of right. different words, and it is, of course, his right to make the change if he deems proper, provided he makes no change in the speech. Said Resolution was adopted.

INTRODUCTION OF PROPOSITIONS.

The following Propositions were introduced and read the first time:

Proposition No. 175-By Mr. CLARK, of Ross: A substitute for Article IV of the Constitution.

Proposition No. 176-By Mr. MITCHENER: To amend Article I of the Constitution.

Proposition No. 177-By Mr. HILL: To amend section 18, Article XVI, of the Constitution.

Proposition No. 178-By Mr. VOORHES: To amend section 12, Article VIII, of the Constitution.

Proposition No. 179-By Mr. COOK: To
amend Article II of the Constitution.
Proposition No. 180-By Mr. MUELLER:
To amend Article II of the Constitution.

SECOND READINGS AND REFERENCES.
On motion of Mr. BISHOP,

The rule requiring propositions to be read
the second time, when printed, was suspended,
and the following propositions were read by
their titles, and severally referred as indicated:
Proposition No. 171-By Mr. HOADLY: To
amend Article II of the Constitution.
Referred to the Committee on Apportionment
and Representation.

Proposition No. 172-By Mr. DORSEY: To

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BISHOP, TRIPP, POWELL, HOADLY, BABER, ROOT.

amend section 30, Article II, of the Constitu- our control, and not that of the United States. tion.

Referred to the Committee on the Legislative Department.

Mr. BISHOP moved that when the Convention adjourn to-day, it be till three o'clock P. M., on Monday, June 23d.

Which was agreed to.

Mr. TRIPP. Being absent when the vote was taken on the report of the Committee with reference to the contested election case from Vinton county, I would ask leave now to have my vote recorded.

The President directed the name of Mr. TRIPP to be called, when he voted in the affirmative. Mr. POWELL moved to discharge the Committee of the Whole from the further consideration of Resolution No. 77, relating to the time of holding the annual elections.

Which was agreed to.

If it were a matter to be controlled by the United States, if it were a fact that they could control our mode or manner of voting, why, I would be against them. But it is not, except that they do and have appointed a day when members of Congress shall be elected, and also the day upon which we shall vote for the President; but the mode of taking it, who shall be voters, how they shall conduct themselves, who shall be officers, and everything of that kind, is entirely under the control of the State authorities, and the United States authorities, according to my notion, cannot interfere with them. Therefore, I come to the conclusion that there is no danger upon this subject, that we are concentrating things into the hands of the United States government at the expense of the just rights and privileges of the State government. If I

Mr. POWELL moved that said Resolution be thought there was any danger of that kind, I taken up.

Which was agreed to.

The Resolution was read, as follows:

Resolved, That it is expedient, in all amendments of the Constitution, to change the time of the annual elections from the second Tuesday in October to the Tuesday after the first Monday in November.

would be as far from proposing it as any individual. And, again, I do not propose this change upon any other principle than the one I have mentioned, namely, for the purpose of Saving to the people time and expense that will amount, in the aggregate, to a large sum in the whole State; and I see no objection to having our fall elections, both as to our county and State goverments, and with regard to members of Congress and the President of the United States, all on the same day, and have the time necessary to be expended on that subject, expended all on one day. But my great object in bringing the question up before the Convention at this time is this: that this question is pending before almost every standing committee. It is in the Committee upon Legislative Proceedings, with regard to elections, and with regard to many other subjects that come up before various committees, and it is proper that it should be settled now, in order that the committees may know how to draft up their reports in conformity with it. This question was up before the committee of which I am a member-that on Legislative Departmentand we were at a loss what to say upon the subject. We were anxious to have, in some way or other, the expression of the members of the Convention upon the subject, in order that we might incorporate it in the report. I hope, therefore, that the Convention will be willing to pass this resolution.

Mr. POWELL. The object of this resolution is to ascertain the judgment, to get the wishes of this Convention upon that subject. I am not particular on which of the two proposed times the annual elections are heldwhether it is the second Tuesday in October, or the Tuesday after the first Monday in November. I rather favor the last proposition, to change it from October to November, as proposed, for this reason alone, that the elections in our government occupy a great deal of time and take a great many persons away from their ordinary avocations. Time is lost, and, as has well been said over and over again, time is money. A large portion of the wealth of the State, therefore, is sacrificed in consequence of our repeated elections. Now, sir, if the election in October can, with propriety, be changed to the Tuesday after the first Monday in November, the day appointed by act of Congress for the election of President, the occurrence of the election of members of Congress, as provided by act of Congress, and having our annual elections for the fall to come on the same day, will be saving one day in the year to a large part of the laboring portion of the community, and be a great saving to the State in its economy. Now, I admit there are strong reasons given by members on this floor for keeping, as far as they can, the operation of the United States government from that of the State government, and that the State Government and State institutions should not be swallowed up by a dispoMr. BABER. I would suggest that it is a sition to concentrate everything into the hands very thin house, and that we had a test vote in of the administration of the United States gov- this matter. The Convention has acted favoraernment. If I thought there was anything in-bly to it. jurious, anything in this measure that would Mr. ROOT. [after a demand for the yeas and tend further to concentrate the powers of our country into the hands of the United States government, I would be against it. But, in reality, the election day is not under the control of the United States, nor can it be. The election day, whether it is in October or November, is an institution of the State, and under

tleman from Delaware [Mr. POWELL] to change Mr. HOADLY. I would suggest to the genhis motion so as to read" the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November.”

Mr. POWELL. If it makes it any better, I accept it.

nays] This is a good chance to find out. I would like to have the Democrats all vote. It is a good time for marking the cattle. Why, sir, if you change the time for holding the elections to the time the members of Congress are elected, possibly, in many cases, probably, the United States forces will be stationed around

Those who voted in the negative were: Messrs. Campbell, Clark of Ross, Coats, Doan, Greene, Hitchcock, Horton, Jackson, O'Connor, Phellis, Pratt, Root, Sample, Shaw, Shultz, Thompson, Voorhes, White of Hocking-18. So said Resolution was adopted.

Mr. HUNT moved that the Convention take from the table Resolution No. 75. Which was agreed to.

The Resolution was read as follows:

Resolved, That the motion heretofore agreed to by the porting and Publication to again give notice and receive Convention instructing the Standing Committee on Reproposals for printing and publishing the Debates of the Convention, be and the same is hereby reconsidered; and that the said committee be authorized and directed to contract at the earliest practicable time for printing and publishing the Debates of this body.

Mr. HUNT. I move that the Resolution be