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the exactions practifed in the prefent mode of claiming the tolls demanded a ferious inveftigation. That a woman coming to town with three eggs, the toll-gatherer demanded one, the refufing, he broke the three. Many other infta ces of oppreffion, he faid, could be adduced.

Sir Richard Mufgrave faid, that a ton of coals which coft 30s. paid, on being taken into fome cities, 43. for the toll. He alfo faid, there were great oppreffions in collecting tolls.

The Provost faid, this was a delicate affair, and hoped gentlemen in the progrefs of the bill, would give full time for gentlemen to turn it in their thoughts.

Mr. Hartley remarked, that to bring in a bill to regulate the tolls of the whole kingdom, would militate against fome corporations which had charters; and corporations on many occafions had proved themfelves the bulwark of the liberties of the people.

Sir Edward Nervenham faid, that his wifh was to preserve the trade of Ireland; that he had on a former day, mentioned Ireland's not being included in the commercial treaty with the United States; that the Secretary, who had behaved with the greateft candour, was now in his place, and he requested to know from him, whether he had heard any thing farther relative to Ireland's being named in that treaty.

Mr. Pelham thanked the Hon. Knight for his candid manner in agitating this bufinefs, but affured him, that nothing material had, as yet, come to his knowledge relative to that trade. He faid, that he was a friend to the trade of Ireland.

Sir Edward Newenham obferved, that he never made an affertion in that Houfe, which was not grounded on indifputable evidence; that he believed the Secretary's intentions were friendly to the trade of Ireland, but infifted that Ireland had a right to fupport her own trade against English factors and jobbers; therefore he would move the Houfe on a future day, for an addrefs to his Majefty to enter into a treaty with the United States of America, for the kingdom of Ireland. Sir Edward then stated feveral inftances of diftrefs experienced by Irish fubjects on the continent, for want of confuls or niinifters on the part of Ireland, and which, he said, he would fhew parliament the neceflity of.

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The Provoft rofe to propose to the House the neceflity of having those profefforfhips inftituted by Sir Patrick Dunn, revived. He faid, the advantages of having public fchools and lectures for young gentlemen intended for the profeffions of anatomy, chymistry, and phyfic, were fo apparent, that he need not expatiate on their utility. In 1747, there was an act to establish three profefforfhips; but the law was fo defective it was not carried into execution. The college of phyficians appointed fix profeffor

fhips. The great abilities of Sir Nathaniel Barry, Dr. Cleghorn, and Dr. Perceval were well known. The late Dr. Barbor was efteemed an ornament to the faculty. To establish a phyfical fchool in this kingdom might be done at the expence of 300l. per year; which he did not confider as any thing when put in competition with the great object in view. He apprehended it should not be confined to any religion, or to reject foreigners. He faid, there was no occafion to erect a new building, for that a house could be taken for the purpose, in which there might be a public

room.

Mr. Browne. There are now profeffors exifting in the college, and the lectures in the fciences of anatomy, chymistry, &c. are well attended.

The Provost moved to revive the profefforships established by Sir Patrick Dunn; and that a committee be appointed to enquire into the state of the public schools of this kingdom,

Mr. Browne moved that the college might be at liberty to lay plans before the committee, and hoped that if any part of the propofition made by the Right Hon. Gentleman, ihould militate against any foundation in the university, they might be permitted to object to it.-A committee was appointed.

The Provoft then prefented a petition from the truftees under the will of Sir Patrick Dunn.-Referred to faid committee.

He likewife moved, that a committee be appointed.

Sir Henry Cavendish faid, he had given notice fome time ago, he would move on this day for an addrefs to his Majefty, that he would be graciously pleafed to fill up the vacancies in our courts of justice, occafioned by the death of the late Chief Baron of the Exchequer, and of one of the judges of the court of common pleas. He faid, that at a time which required the greatest attendance in the courts, and when it was the common talk of every company, that there were to be twelve judges, and that the Houfe of Lords had addreffed his Majesty on that head, and only feven doing the bufinefs, he could not account for fuch neglect; he then moved his addrefs.

Secretary Pelham affured the Houfe, he would always take pleasure in giving every potlible information. As to filling up the vacant offices, no inftructions are as yet come on that head; but the addrefs from the Houfe of Lords to his Majesty has been transmitted.

The Provoft was convinced that the Right Hon. Gentleman, who had moved this addrefs, had done it for the public good, and with the best of motives; he hoped, however, he would not prefs it at this time, when the very measure was perhaps agreed on: the melancholy event of the death of the two judges was greatly to be lamented, but is there any complaint of a delay

of bufinefs in the courts? He had heard none. In his opinion, this addrefs would be conceiving an indirect imputation on the gentlemen who now fo very worthily fill the bench. He faid, that on the death of the late Lord Chancellor, a similar motion was made in that Houfe by a Right Honourable Gentleman, but it was then, as I hope it will be now, declared improper for parliament to interfere; he would therefore vote against it.-The queftion was put and negatived.

Read the bill of supply-Ordered to be read a second time to

morrow.

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 1783.

The Clerk called over the names of the members, in order to ballot for a committee to try the

Athboy petition, when the

following gentlemen were chofen and fworn:

Arthur French, Efq;
Godfrey Greer, Efq;
N. Colthurft, Efq;
Simon Digby, Efq;
Capt. L. Tottenham,
Gen. Cunningham,
W. Montgomery, Efq;
Lord C. Fitzgerald,

John Wolfe, Efq;
Peter Latouche, Efq;
Robert Dillon, Efq;
A. Montgomery, Efq;
Hon. H. Skeffington,
Sir James May, Bart.
H. Coddington, Efq;

Hon. John Burke obferved, that Tuesday was fixed upon by an Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Molyneux) for bringing forward a motion refpecting a tax upon abfentees; on which day there was another object of difcuffion, befides a ball at the caftle: He therefore requested him to poftpone it to fome other day.

Mr. Molyneux readily agreed to defer his motion to Wednesday.

Mr. O'Hara gave notice, that he would on Monday make a motion, demonftrative that this kingdom maintained the aug mented establishment of her army, not from the neceffity of her own affairs, but from affection to Great Britain, and in order to give that country every poffible support and affiftance.

The House in a committee, Mr. Fofter in the chair.
Read the first money bill a fecond time.

Mr. Fofter reported, and the third reading was apointed for

to-morrow.

Mr. Cuffe moved, that lifts be laid before the House of the voters of the city of Cork.-Ordered accordingly.

Mr. Hartley prefented a petition from the commiffioners of the inland navigation, for aid to make part of the River Shannon navigable:

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Mr. Fofter moved, that inftructions be given to the committee ways and means, to infert a claufe for an allowance on the tare of hops imported.-Ordered accordingly.

Mr. Fofier obferved, that it was a matter of great importance that the liberal grants of parliament for improving and carrying on works and manufactures, fhould be applied to thofe purposes, only, as otherwife they became an injury to the public, being raifed by taxes upon the induftrious, and often fquandered by the prodigal, or hoarded by the avaricious; to remedy this in future, he faid, fhould be his care, and as a beginning he moved, "that whereas the fum of 200ol. had been granted to Thomas Smith, of Balbriggen, in the county of Dublin, cotton manufacturer, for the purpofe of carrying on certain works, by him mentioned in a petition to the Houfe, the faid fum of 2000!. fhould not be paid unto him, till he fhall enter into recognizance in his Majefty's court of exchequer, himself in 2000l. and two fureties in 1000l. each, for the due expenditure of that money, in completing the work aforefaid, according to the tenor of his own petition.-Agreed to unanimously.

Mr. Hartley faid, that the corporation of weavers of the city of Dublin, anxious to appear to parliament, as they really were, the enemies of riot and difcorder, and having the fullest reliance that effectual care would be taken by the House to relieve the diftreffes of the working people; had requested him (Mr. Hartley,) as one of the city reprefentatives, to lay before the House their fentiments, which they had expreffed in fome refolutions. Mr. Hartley then read the refolutions, which were drawn up with much propriety, advising the working people to avoid all riotous and tumultuous affemblings, to rely upon the wisdom and goodnefs of parliament, which was ferioully engaged in confidering their diftreffes, and the means of procuring them employment; and affuring them that nothing could fruftrate and defeat the good intentions of their friends, but diforderly proceedings.

Mr. Holmes moved, that the proper officer do lay before the House, an account of the number of breweries in the kingdom, and the amount of the excife paid by the brewers.-Ordered.

Mr. Hartley moved, that it be an inftruction to the committee of trade to regulate the exportation of rabbit fur.-Ordered. House in a committee,-Mr. Fofter in the chair.

Went through the reading of the second money bill, paragraph by paragraph.-Agreed to the fame.

Read also the second time, the bill of ftamp duties.-Agreed to the fame.

Mr. Fofter reported both bills.

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 22, 1783.

Lord Delvin moved for leave to bring in a bill, to enable Lord Louth to raise 6000'. on his eftates.-Granted.

Mr. Fofter prefented the loan bill, which, he said, had two principal objects; the first, to borrow the fum of 300,000!. and the fecond, for application of 100,000l. furplus of the appropriated duties.-The bill propofed borrowing the money by exchequer bills, by iffuing debentures, and by one or more lotteries, and applying the furplus of the appropriated duties, to the private purchase of debentures, by which expedient near 110,000!. might be got in, to the great relief of the nation.

Sir Henry Cavendish faid, this private purchafing of debentures, though no doubt a good scheme, did not answer his idea of a finking fund.

Sir Francis Hutchinfon declared he had strong objections to the raifing of money by lotteries: They induced a fpirit of gaming among the lower ranks of people, highly detrimental to their morals.

Mr. Fofter, in answer to this objection, faid, the scheme of a finking fund had been found ineffectual in another country for leffening the national debt; and added, that he was no friend to lotteries, but as lottery gambling was carried on at prefent, when we had no lottery in the kingdom, and would probably continue fo, we might as well gamble with a lottery of our own; and that it was the readieft way to provide for 140,000l. to make good the treasury bills now coming into a courfe of payment.

Mr. Kearney faid, his objection lay alike against all lotteries, whether of this country or any other, and wished they might be precluded.

Mr. Molyneux.-Sir, when I bring forward my promised motion for an augmentation of the falary of his Excellency the Lord Lieutenant, give me leave to fay, that if I did not think that fuch an increase of falary as I fhall propofe was abfolutely neceffary for the honour and dignity of the kingdom, I should not fo far deviate from my principles of economy, as to propofe fuch an addition to the national expences. There are cafes where œconomy becomes penury: I have no attachment to the present Lord Lieutenant, but if 22 years ago the prefent ftipend was thought a juft one, it furely cannot be fo at this time, when

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