JOHN A. UHLER, sworn Some time last December, I was one of the Vestry, and Mannhardt met me in Cherry-street; says he, I hope you will meet the corporation this evening; I said, I would; says he, if any person had told me this, eight days ago, he would suppose it had all come out of the hospital; he desired me in particular, to be there, for said he, a document will be laid before the corporation with a considerable number of signers, and that not half an inch must be given, otherwise blood must flow; all he said was in German; that is the true translation as near as I can tell it; I believe I said, not quite so bad; and bid him good evening; it was about half an hour to sunset; I went home; I live in Frontstreet, and then went to meet the Vestry; but I must have come late; there was a great mob of people; I found some were not of the Vestry, either ten or twelve of them there; I took a seat; there must be sixteen to form a quorum; we had a short discourse; 'presently five or six came in and we formed a quorum; one of the ministers makes a prayer; a petition was taken up; I moved it might be read again; it was in the German language; it was read" a second time and the door opened right against me; there were two voices; one said, the corporation is sitting; presently Knorr came in; after it was read the second time, it struck me from what I heard in the street, met and saw, that it was not right to be there, and proposed to adjourn; according to what fell, I thought one might have got one's brains knock'd out; we were but a short time together, and when we broke up, I perceived nobody but the Vestry This was the paper presented, (conspiracy paper;) it was in September; no other petition was presented that night. A short time before this, a petition was sent in, which was in the English and it was rejected to, because it was in English, tho' our secretary translated it very correct. I believe on the part of the Engish party, a second petition came in German; the antipathy seened to me to be because they asked for English. On the day of the election, generally a week or so before the Vestry meet, and appoint Inspectors, and do some other business; a short dispute arose in the Vestry, and I said that the Corporation should appoint Inspectors; the German party carried it by the casting vote th President should appoint. I beg'd him to appoint in due time, bcause I was afraid of what might take place. He made answer hat he had time enough, and I said then, I dreaded the day of the election, since they would ask counsel's advice, and bloody work might follow it. I was there from the beginning of the election; I dd not consider it legal to appoint. I was there a few minutes ater they walk'd out from the Vestry; an enclosure was made whee the Inspectors and Judges met. Mr. Lex belonged to the Vesry, and wanted to go in, and some persons catch'd the tail of his coat and pulled him down; he made a second attempt, andthey cried out," "kick the rascal out;" made out in English as well as they could; Dr. Helmuth expressed himself, Gentlemen, this gentleman belongs to the Vestry, he has a right to go in; but he made no further attempt; generally the incomings

and outgoings are mentioned, so as every person may see how, the money is expended. After that they generally take the votes ; Mr. Witman got up and said, " I move that we appoint our Inspectors, those who are in favor of it will say aye; to the best of my knowledge, there were two ayes to one no; he moved that Mr. Wagner and John Geyer should be appointed; Wagner was outside and wanted to go in; I stood about seven feet from the enclosure, and near about that distance from a stove, where they had him like a child in their arms, and he crying out, for God's sake don't choke me." I got on a little school bench, and one Mr. Woelbert stood by me; they overset the cannon stove, and a fire like a young hell and a pipe came towards us; and I carried the pipe behind us 'till the disturbance was most over; after that was settled and the pipe was out of the way, some persons got a bucket of water and threw it on the fire. A peace officer was there, Vanderslice; he commanded peace; a man was there who said, he would tear every hair out of his head, Bohl I believe; I found by laying hold of his arms he was determined to get hold of him several came side ways and asked me if I knew that man, &c. Then J withdrew and staid with an acquaintance 'till near dark; and in Fourth-street, there was a great crowd and pushing and pulling; I went in, and the school house was nearly empty; they said none of their brothers should be taken to jail; I do not know whether Wagner was in; the first I saw was Hoeckley and Lehr taking votes; they acted. The Inspectors were formerly chosen by the President or Vestry; they are always chosen beforehand on former occasions, and I have known it five minutes before. A bye-law gave the President the power. Mr. Cope was very much abused, and I mentioned to him not to take any notice of it; young people about eighteen or twenty did it; I left the house, and I know no more about the election.

Cross Examined.

I belong to no party, I am in favor of English preaching I did not join a party or meeting; I objected that I was in the Vestry, and did not meet; I was asked to by both parties. Ther might have been constables there; I do not know that Vanderdice was employed some days before. I knew nothing about Hoegley and Lehr taking their seats; I never saw them till after Igave my vote to Mr. Lehr; I said, that I thought it was wrong; it was as much as one's life was worth to say any thing to the Judges; my intention was to keep myself peaceable, I thought the ection illegal; not above ten minutes after nine, I went. Last members not in; the tranquility of the election was grossly disturber before Mr. Witman proposed Inspectors; because one of the Vetry was laid hold of and it was said "kick the rascal out;" this vas a quarter of an hour before Witman addressed them; no votes yere received before he got up, but the other business was gone trough. We did not vote for English or German; the German party had a considerable majority; I never saw a person nominate lefore Inspec

tors, as this was done; no person read the opinion; I did not stay until the votes were counted.

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John A. Uhler, called I did not go into the enclosure, because I did not think it safe, without having my limbs broken; because they had used one very rude, and if they could have reached Witman, they would have tore him limb from limb.

GEORGE WITMAN, Sworn I was elected a member of the Vestry in January, 1815. Before that time the churches were observed to be thinly attended. Few were there, but old persons and very young children. Conversations took place, as to how it should be remedied, and English preaching becam a general subject, and a good deal of pains were taken to ascertain the opinions of old persons. The old members were waited on; very few young persons understand the German. Mr. Geyer, Mr. Rehn and myself appropriated one morning to this purpose. Among others we called on Mr. Fricke, who was pleased to see us, and said, he knew English preaching was necessary. We called on Mr. Hoeckly, who said, he did not go to church. Dr. Helmuth was called on. First meeting to be held, was on the 21st, but adjourned to 25th September. We were interrupted after going into business by a number of persons, who came in a noisy and tumultuous manner saying, they could not understand, as we were talking Irish; that we should use German; they were noisy and tumultuous voting yea and nay to the same question; they evidently came to prevent our proceedings, and a great part of us went out the back way; they broke us up; there was no regular adjournment. No further business was done, except to appoint a committee of conference. On the 26th, the Corporation met. On going to the Vestry that evening, I passed by a collection of twelve or fifteen persons near the church yard; Dr. Helmuth was among them. On going through the yard, I passed through a similar collection of people standing there. After the Vestry had been some time in session, Mr. Busch handed in a paper from the committee of conference. At this time, a paper, enclosed under cover, was lying on the table, which was read. A German paper here before the court; either during the reading or immediately before, the door was several times opened, and one person actually intruded himself. The reading of the paper, and other circumstances, created such an impression on my mind, that I went next day to get a copy. Shortly after I passed Mr. Weckerly, and asked if he knew the contents; he said yes; and I told him, if he did not like the paper, he had better take his name from it. I left it with him a few days after, he told me, he knew perfectly well the contents, and that a parcel of people were ready to pounce upon the church property, as a cat upon its prey-Mr. Meyer's congregation; and that the Germans had property enough to support their Clergymen in case we all left the churches. I then asked him in what situation they would be placed, if the English party united with the Congregation of Mr. Meyer's. He replied,

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that any men who would propose, or many men that would support it, were damned rascals. A second meeting was at the school house, about ten days after the first. I went early, and went in consequence of Mr. Rehn's suggestion, to see Mannhardt a week or ten days after the first. Presently we saw him come, leading an old gentleman. Rehn questioned him, and Mannhardt said, he could not pledge himself for the conduct of any set of men. Mr. Rehn asked what the objects of these persons were, and whether they meant to disturb the meeting. I did not know of any meets ing to take place that evening, except ours. After we had been in business, a number of persons came in posses, saying, some of us were traitors; that they could not understand Trish; that these in the Corporation had sworn false oaths. Burckhardt addressed them, and said, what they did not understand, would be explained to them, if they would have patience. He was called a Judas, a traitor. It was said a rope should be brought, and he should be hung. There was considerable noise and confusion afterwards. We went some one way and some another; we were interrupted; another meeting was called, a week or ten days after, at the school house in Cherry street. When we came, to our surprise, we found the room occupied, by persons who had set themselves in opposi tion to us. We went into another room, and were obliged to wait in consequence of their singing, for a considerable while. After their singing, we heard, several wraps, but they did not interrupt us much, and to the best of my knowledge, we got through our business that evening. In consequence of the disposition of these people, we determined to call our meet ings elsewhere; and we met up stairs, shortly before the elec tion. On the 6th January, I went to the school room, after 9 o'clock, (I was in the Vestry) a number had their tickets in their hats, having on them the U. S. eagle. I never saw any thing like badges before; the tickets had the eagle at the top, and were on smooth, better paper than usual; I had a conversation with Fre derick Bremicke, who acknowledged to me, that he had been one of the persons who seized Mr. Lex, to prevent him from going into the enclosure. I don't recollect any person being in the enclo sure except Mr. Long, Mr. Birnbaum, Mr. Lehr and the two clergymen; the business of the day was told by Mr. Helmuth, and the reading of the accounts was commenced by Mr. Long, and I believe during the time of the reading, Mr. Geyer came into the enclosure, who was a member of the Vestry. After reading the accounts, L arose upon a chair, and observed, that the right to choose Judges was in the voters, and that I was supported in this by the opinion of the Attorney General, which I held in my hand; I therefore moved, that John Geyer and William Wagner should be Judges. Noise and uproar followed. I heard cries of" pull the Irishman by the hair; turn him out." No Judges were appointed to conduct the election, either in the Corporation, or on the morning of the election; by public appointment I mean, not mentioned at the time; when I made the motion, a number of persons were shaking

their fists at me, making terrible faces and gestures. On observing this, I got from the chair, and moved it to a more secure posîtion, where I did not suppose I could be reached by any person outside, and not knowing what the violent temper of the persons might be, I disencumbered myself of my surtout, that I might the more readily make my escape. This noise being settled, in a considerable degree, I called on those favorable to say, aye, and the others, no; I believe a considerable majority were ayes. Mr. Wagner was outside of the enclosure, and was called for; he was, seized hold of on his attempting to get in, by a number of persons, all strangers to me at the time, and I can't recollect any since, except Buehler and Schweichart. Wagner was raised on the shoulders of the people; his legs and part of his body on the top railing of the enclosure, He called out, " for God's sake don't take my life," or "don't choke me," or both. Long and I attempted to assist him to get in by lifting him over. Buehler, on seeing this, jumped over and said, he was Wagner's friend, and pushed us aside; and almost at the same moment Wagner got inside. Wagner appeared exhausted, trembling; his surtout and side coat were torn. During this scuffle the cannon stove, warm and filled with fire, was thrown over. Immediately after Wagner got in, Lehr who was inside, and Hoeckley who had got in during the scuffle, were receiving tickets. Observing this, I stood near to them, not interrupting them or any person, and took a blank book to make memorandums of illegal votes. Hoeckly took the ink stand from me several times. On this I received a lead pencil from one of the byestanders; I had not had it long before the book was snatched violently from my hand; more than half a dozen were violently engaged in keeping Wagner out, in the scuffle as many as could get hold of him. At the time of taking the book there was a general cry of," out with him, the Irishman;" some person looked over my shoulder and said, I was writing Irish. In consequence of this animosity towards me, I thought it necessary to move to a more secure situation, and went to the opposite side of the table. In the course of the forenoon Buehler ascended the railing, and moving his hat, turning it round, said, it is the will of the Congregation that he should be put out, and a general cry took place of," out with him." I remained there all day; nothing particular took place except a general scene of turbulence; about dark there was a cry of, Mannhardt comes, our Captain comes ;" and I saw very distinctly the persons in the school room, making way on each side for him, and several other persons who were with him, to go up and vote. I continued during the day to make notes, and handed them to my friends. I was repeatedly cautioned; Buehler told me, they had plenty to drink. I saw persons drinking, and particularly Almendinger; I do not know of any person being bribed; I saw Lehr give a glass of wine to some person outside of the enclosure. For some time after the election, I always carried a cane when I went out.

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