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June 24, 1834.] Memorials from Ohio and Connecticut. —New Hampshire Resolutions.

[SENATE. an appropriation of $500 for the trustee having charge of large, numerous, and admirably well-conducted. Flour. the appropriations made for the library, (the Register of ishing and beautiful villages had consequently sprung up the Treasury.)

in various parts of the county, with gratifying and wonThe proposition was opposed by Mr. WEBSTER, be- derful rapidity, furnishing a ready and good market for Gause it had been considered and disapproved by the its agricultural productions, and stimulating and richly Committee on Finance, not but that the officer was very rewarding that great branch of industry, by which the meritorious and praiseworthy, but that the precedent aspect of that section of Connecticut had been highly immight be productive of numerous claims of a similar proved and its inhabitants enriched. But he was sorry character, for past and future services.

to be informed, that, in this county, which was so prosAfter some short discussion, the motion was negatived. perous until near the close of the last year, an unfortu

On motion of Mr. WEBSTER, the bill was then post- nate change had taken place, and to learn, even in the poned, and made the special order for to-morrow. present week, that the work of destruction was fearfully

Mr. WILKINS gave notice that he should on to.mor- and lamentably progressing. He was authorized to state row, after the reading of the Journal, move the Senate that about eleven thousand spindles had been stopped in to go into the consideration of Executive business. the county, and that mercantile confidence is destroyed,

There being a loud call to move now, Mr. WILKINS industry paralyzed, labor denied its customary reward, said that, although he should prefer going into Executive and actual want felt in the recent abodes of comfort and session to-morrow, he would, in compliance with the ease, while the hopes of the manufacturer are sorely disgeneral wish, move that the Senate now proceed to the appointed. Accustomed to examine, deliberate, and judge consideration of Executive business.

for themselves, the memorialists have formed, and unThe motion was agreed to-yeas 22, nays 19. equivocally express, the opinion, that nothing can re.

The Senate then proceeded to the consideration of establish public confidence and credit, animate the deExecutive business; and, after the doors were opened, sponding, and restore to the farmer his late prosperity, to The Senate adjourned.

the mechanic his spirit of honest enterprise, to the manu

facturer his hopes and activity, and to all classes in the TUESDAY, Jure 24.

community the rich and varied blessings which they reOHIO MEMORIALS.

cently enjoyed, but the return of the public deposites to Mr. MORRIS said, he had been requested to present the re-charter of the national bank, or the incorporation

the place whence they have been wrongfully taken, and the proceedings of meetings in six different counties in of a new bank, upon such principles as will give and seOhio, on the subject of the bank and the Executive.

cure to the country a safe and well-regulated currency. They approve the course of the Executive in opposition Looking to national legislation alone for relief

, they ask to the bank, and were all couched in the same language, the prompt exertion of the constitutional powers of Conthat was, they expressed the same sentiments. These counties were among the most respectable in Ohio, both gress to accomplish these great and desirable objects,

and to rescue the nation from the deplorable consein population and intelligence, and they stretched across the State, from the west to the extreme east.

Mr. M. quences of an Executive experiment, which, in their

judgment, was commenced, and can only be carried forwould not occupy the time of the Senate with further remarks, except to say, that they contained sentiments which infringes the rights and privileges of the other de.

ward, by the assumption and exercise of a prerogative which he approved; nor would he ask for their reading, (partments of the Government, and endangers the interexcept the proceedings from the county of Hamilton. The long proceedings from this county were partly

ests and liberty of the people.

The memorials were referred to the Committee on Firead, and the whole were referred and ordered to be

nance, and ordered to be printed. printed. WINDHAM COUNTY (CONN.) MEMORIAL.

NEW HAMPSHIRE RESOLUTIONS. MP. TOMLINSON presented the memorials of about Mr. HILL moved to take up the resolutions of the New 1,600 citizens of Windham county, in the State of Con- Hampshire Legislature, which were yesterday laid or the necticut, complaining of the general stagnation of busi- table, in the alleged absence of any authority for him to ness, and the pecuniary embarrassments and distress oc- present them. casioned by the removal of the public funds from the cus- Mr. HILL. Mr. President, my colleague said yestertody of the United States Bank, and the unwise and dis- day that he knew where these resolutions came from; astrous interference of the Executive with the currency that they came from this city. If he knows this, he and labor of the country. Information from gentlemen knows more than I do. in whom he perfectly confided, Mr. T. said, warranted Messrs. CLAY and EWING objected to these remarks the belief that there is not among the numerous memo- as being out of order. rialists a single individual who is not a voter, and that the Mr. HILL wished to assign the reasons for taking up sentiments expressed by them are in coincidence with the resolutions, and began again with his speech. those entertained by more than three-fourths of the elect- Mr. POINDEXTER objected; it was not in order for ors of that respectable and influential county. At this an honorable Senator to discuss the subject on a question period of the session, Mr. T. said, he did not propose to of taking it up. If it was necessary, the Senator could occupy the precious time of the Senate by asking that say what reason there was to take up the resolutions; the papers be read, nor by detailing their contents, and but to discuss the merits of the subject was out of order. making the extended remarks which, under other circum- The VICE PRESIDENT said it was impossible to anstances, the interesting subjects discussed in them would ticipate what the remarks of the Senator would be. doubtless justify. He deemed it proper, however, to Mr. POINDEXTER moved to lay Mr. Hill's motion state for the information of the Senate, that Windham is on the table, and this motion requiring unanimous consent, an inland county, abounding in water power, which has Mr. HILL would not give way, but again began his been made to contribute largely to its substantial pros- speech. perity and wealth. In this county the manufacture of Mr. CLAY called the gentleman to order-it was not cotton was long since commenced, and had been pursued, in place for the honorable member to reply to his coluntil lately, with great success. Having had the satisfac- league, on a motion to take up the resolutions. tion of repeatedly visiting that county, he could say that Mr. BENTON made a few remarks, most of which the manufacturing establishments there located were were inaudible.

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New Hampshire Resolutions.--Public Lands.

[JUNE 24, 1834.

Mr. CLAYTON said, that' one of the Senators from

PUBLIC LANDS. Pennsylvania, and the Senator from New Hampshire not Mr. POINDEXTER moved to take up the resolution now in his seat, had, to use a common phrase, paired off. offered by him the other day, relative to the sitting of a The honorable Senator from Pennsylvania having occa- committee, during the recess of Congress, for the pursion to leave the city, had prevailed upon the honorable pose of taking testimony upon the subject of frauds on Senator from New Hampshire, who was of opposite views, the public lands. to vacate his seat also for the remainder of the session.

Mr. WRIGHT offered an amendment, to the effect Mr. HILL. My colleague said, yesterday, that he that the examinations of the committee should be conknew where the resolutions came from. If he knows this, he knows more than I do; and if he turns public in- that they went from this city. All I can answer, is, that if he structer in New Hampshire, he will meet, in the author knows this, he knows more than I know. When he returns to of the resolutions, a gentleman who will be his equal.

New Hampshire, and there takes the field as a political gladiaMr. POINDEXTER again rose to order.

tor, as he has promised us, I am inclined to believe, that he Mr. HILL. My colleague said that the resolutions will convince him that the sole object of his political troubles

will meet an antagonist in the author of these resolutions, who were got up by the sons of old tories

and his fears, sojourns not now in the Federal city. Mr. EWING begged to call the gentleman to order. My colleague says the resolutions were introduced, and ad

Mr. SHEPLEY wished to have the consideration of vocaled, in the Legislature, by the sons of old tories. (Flere the question taken up:

Mr. H. having been repeatedly interrupted, sal down.] One Mr. WEBSTER wished to follow out the strict par- of the expedients of himself and his party ever bas been, 10 liamentary rule.

single out the very few belonging to the democratic party, who The CHAIR. The gentleman from New Hampshire have been allied to tory and old federal families, as themes of will sit down.

reproach. My colleague cannot even claim the merit of origiMr. BELL, who had come into the Senate Chamber, nality in making this discovery. The children's teeth are not re-stated what Mr. Clayton had told the Senate, and iwo gentlemen in the New Hampshire Legislature, assailed by

set on edge because their fathers have eaten sour grapes. The thought, under the circumstances, that it was improper my colleague, (Messrs. Gove and Atherton,) are not the less for him to enter into any discussion.

esteemed because they sprung, from the party to which my colo The question was then taken, on again taking up the league belongs--because their fathers were his political assoresolutions, and negatived by the following vote: ciales. These men are both his juniors in years. Whatever

YEAS.-Messrs. Benton, Brown, Forsyth, Grundy, they now are, they have never made pretensions to be any thing Hendricks, Hill, Kane, King of Alabama, King of Geor-else; whatever they may be, I trust ihe mutations of my colo gia, Leigh, Linn, Moore, Robinson, Shepley, Tallmadge, would brand the great majority of the Legislature and people

league will not be taken as their pattern. If my colleague White, Wilkins, Wright.-18. NAYS.—Messrs. Bibb, Black, Calhoun, Chambers, (thal Legislature, and not of his party, who bear the names of

of New Hampshire as tories, let him reflect that there are of Clay, Clayton, Ewing, Frelinghuysen, Kent, Mangum, Thomas Jefferson and John Langdon, the sons of whig fathers, Moore, Naudain, Poindexter, Porter, Prentiss, Preston, who never disgraced their names or iheir sires; and that if they Robbins, Silsbee, Smith, Southard, Sprague, Swift, Tom- deserve the name of lories, the whole political world must be linson, Tyler, Waggaman, Webster.-27.*

turned upside down.

But a rank offence against the dignity of this body has been [From the Globe.]

commilled by the introduction of these resolutions. My col. Mr. BLAIR: Having been interrupted at four several league says the presentation was "altogether gratuitous--ontimes, by Messrs. Clay, Ewing, and Poindexter, this morning, asked and uncalled for." He was backed by the Senator from in a simple attempt to do justice to a large majority of the Massachusetts, (Mr. Webster,) w bo said the consideration of people of New Hampshire, I have written out, and ask you these resolutions presented a grave question for the decision of io insert in the Globe, the remarks I intended to make on the the Senate! They had been read in our hearing, and that could Occasion of asking for a consideration of the resolutions yester- not be taken back; but they were not addressed to the Senate, day laid on the table, on motion of Mr. Webster, passed by but to Senators, and therefore ought not to be received. Althe Legislature of New Hampshire, approving of the course of though I know these resolutions, certified by the hand of the the President, and disapproving of the conduct of the United Secretary of State of New Hampshire, to be sent here directly States Bank, and the course of the Senate of the United States for the purpose of presentativn; although I know it to be the in condemning, without hearing or trial, the President of the intention of the legislators who passed them that they should be United States, and instructing their Senators to vote for ex. presented, I must confess thai' for a moment the idea Aitied punging the obnoxious resolution from the Journal of the Sen-across my mind that I baci been guilty of some impropriety in

It is proper to remark, that the Senator from Massachu- presenting them, when I saw the Secretary looking into the selis, (Mr. Webster,) after acknowledging that it was a con- body of the resolutions to discover whether or not there was a mon practice to present resolutions to the Senate as these reso-request they should be presented. I immediately recurred to lutions were by me presented, without an especial vote of the the last year's Journal, to see if I had a precedent. The first Legislature for that purpose, and that he had no objections to page I opened presented me certain resolutions of the Legistaking up the resolutions and disposing of them in the usual lature of Massachusetts relative to the measures of South Caro way, voted against laking them up! The motion to take them olina and adverse lo the tariff bill. I found these addressed up was rejected (tantamount to voting not to receive them to the Senators and Representatives in Congress from Massaby a party vote.

chusetts--but no request was made that they should be preSENATE CHAMBER, June 24, 1834. ISAAC HILL.

sented. By the side of them I found resolutions from the Le

gislature of Missouri against re-chartering the United Sisles Remarks of Mr. Hill, in Senate, June 24, 1834.

Bank--and no request that they should be presented. Botha

sets of resolutions were presented, read, received, and ordered When my colleague, Mr. Bell, yesterday, made his ouse: to be printed. Senators in both cases presented ihem on their upon the New Hampshire resolutions, I had no idea it was a own responsibility. shot and a retreat. He has, I am informed, left us, and no Recurring to the procedings of the present session, how many leave of absence yet asked, and much the most important busi- resolutions and public addresses of ineetings have been pre. ness of the session to be yet performed. He has paired off, as they sented to both branches of Congress, cut from the columas of call it, and, therefore, his party loses nothing by his absence. some newspaper, without a request from the meetings that they He has gone, but not for good. If he lives he will come back should be presented? I hold in my hand tbe printed

resolutions again--he is too much of a Yankee, and too little of the Vir- of the Legislature of Massachuseits in favor of the restoration ginian, not to hold on and be back here on the 1st of December of the deposites, and of re-chartering the Bank of the United next--for he knows full well that this is his last chance, and States of the present year. These resolves, by vote of the Lethat New Hampshire will never send him here again.

gislature, were sent to the Senators and Representatives in My colleague says he knows whence these resolutions came;l Congress from that Siate; but no request was made to present

ate.

Juss 24, 1834.]

Public Lands.Kent County (R. 1.) Proceedings.

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ducted by set interrogatories; which interrogatories should man and fellow.citizen; a name that is but another name be printed and transmitted to the individual about to be for all that is great and sublime in human character; whose called before the committee; that such person should fame, from the moment it first broke upon the world, to also have permission to cross-examine the witnesses, and the end of his glorious career therein, was so elevated as bring forward their own, if necessary.

to be above the reach of envy--a felicity peculiar to WashMr. POINDEXTER said, the amendment would have ington in all the history of human greatness. For who the effect of defeating the whole intent and purpose of else in that immortal roll but the resolution. In order, however, that both might be

“ Comperit inviduam supremo fine domari?" fully considered and understood, he would move that they Not one. be laid on the table and printed. Motion agreed to. This interesting county is but of small extent, containKENT COUNTY (R. I.) PROCEEDINGS.

ing only four towns, and these only about twelve thou

sand inhabitants. This people are almost exclusively enMr. ROBBINS presented the proceedings and resolu- gaged in the business of agriculture and manufactures; tions of a meeting of citizens of Kent county, Rhode and their pursuits, animated as they have been by the Island, disapproving of the measures of the Executive in spirit of enterprise, and guided by the lights of intellirelation to the public finances and the Bank of the United gence, have been attended with great success. They States, and praying Congress for redress.

have over thirty different manufacturing establishments On presenting the above proceedings

within their narrow limits, and about two millions of fixed Mr. ROBBINS said: I am charged with, and rise to pre- capital invested in them; they were moving about eighty sent certain resolutions on the subject on which so many thousand cotton spindles, and were expending in the resolutions and memorials to Congress have been present. wages of manual labor about four hundred thousand doled at the present session; and which, as it now appears, lars annually. But now, more than one-third of these might as well have been addressed to the dull cold ear of works are suspended, and that proportion of laborers disdeath.

missed from employment; the residue, though continued, These resolutions come from the people of Rhode are continued at a loss, and their progress is from bad to Island, inhabitants of the county of Kent, in that State; worse. This is their condition, their present condition, a county that has connected with it many interesting as- as they tell us themselves. But the honorable gentleman sociations; among others that arising from its being the from Missouri, who, it seems, knows their situation better birth-place and residence of that revolutionary hero, who than they do themselves, tells them in his place here, that stood, in the mind of his country, as heir apparent to the they are under a great mistake in this matter; that, comcommander-in-chief of her revolutionary armies, had it pared with the average of late years, they never were in been ordained by Providence that the war should outlast a more active and prosperous condition than they now are. the life of her Washington, (blessed be God, it was not so Indeed! Then it must be that these capitalists, who really ordained!) I allude to General Greene, a name that throws believed that they had suspended their operations, and an interest over the place of his nativity, and those early had dismissed their laborers, were in a state of hallucina. scenes, where that great mind, in the shade of retirement, tion; no such thing had taken place; every spindle was in and in the modesty of unconscious genius, by his own cul. motion as before; and every hand was at work as before. ture, grew up to those capacities which fitted him for And these poor laborers, who really believed that they those brilliant parts which he afterwards enacted on the were out of employ, and that in consequence thereof theatre of the revolutionary war. An interest not uolike, their families were suffering the privation of the neces. though less intense, yet not unlike that connected with saries of life, were in no such condition; they were still Mount Vernon; which no American beholds without emo- in full employ, at full wages; and their families were still tion, without saying in his secret thoughts and in his pride well fed, well clothed, and enjoying all the comforts of of heart, this was the home of Washington, my country- life they had ever known. They saw, as they believed, them in this body. They were presented; but the grave ques- stopping here, and there, and everywhere; and their es,

their water-wheels at the falls, on their water-courses, tion whether they should be received, was not mooted.

Until this time, I believe, it was never doubted that the com- tablishments silent and deserted; but it was all an optical munication of these and similar resolutions to a Senator or Rep- illusion. But this mania, this astonishing mania, that has resentative in Congress, was considered an implied request io produced these delusive phantoms, these optical illusions, present them to the branch to which such Senator or Repre- how is that to be accounted for? Why, the same honoraseplative belonged.

ble Senator tells us, it is to be accounted for by a panic “A grave question is presented for the decision of the Sen- speech, made here upon the floor of this Senate. Then ate!" If I had been a member of Congress from ten to twenty, no conjurer, no sorcerer, no magician, that ever was, can years, and made before the Senate such a “grave question,"compete with your panic speech. The enchanter's rod when hundreds of precedents to the contrary were staring me operates only by contact; the patient must be present, for in the face, I would at once have resigned the office of political the exhibition of the specious miracle to be wrought upon leader; I would no longer undertake to school younger members for a dereliction of duty.

him; but the potent spell of the panic speech, though ...The paper cannot properly be received by the Senate!" | pronounced here in this Capitol, is felt to the extremities Will the Senator from Massachusetts turn out of doors the of this Union; at the sound thereof, every where the opinions of more than thirty thousand free electors of New whole country is struck aghast with imaginary distresses. Hampshire, as expressed by their representatives, if they shall And the magical effect is no less astonishing, by the length not square with his own opinions, by creating a frivolous objec. of its duration, than by the extent of its operation. It is tion in the manner of their presentation is not the responsi- now six months since this country has been spell-bound bility of a member of this body, representing those persons, by it, and kept under this strange and miserable delusion. worth something? Is the native State of the Senator become so degenerate that her opinions are not to be suffered an en

But irony apart; that honorable gentleman tells this trance here? Or does precedent in this body furnish a rule country-and with a nota bene that it is not lightly said, that excludes one side of the question, while the body is a gen. vate gentleman--that their distresses, whether real or

but upon his dignity as a Senator, and his honor as a prieral receptacle of every thing that appears on the other side?

I must insist, that in the presentation of these resolutions, I imaginary, or partly one and partly the other, have all bave only followed the example of Massachusetts Senators passed away; and that the prosperity of the country, comthemselves; and that, if it was their right that those resolutions pared with the average of late years, was never greater shonld be received, so it is my right that these resolutions shall than it now is. The country, no doubt, has great respect be received.

I for that gentleman; but I doubt whether they will give

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Claims for lost Property. Respect to Lafayette. - Indian Ippropriations.

(JUNE 25, 1834.

him entire credit for the correctness of this statement, of that policy, it would cost more than the annuity which contradicted as it is by the evidence of their own senses, was appropriated, to regain the confidence of these Inand by the still better evidence of their own bitter expe- cians. Besides, by the means adopted, the money was rience.

never paid to them. They will tell him that they have seen with their own Mr. WHITE said, that with regard to the Cherokees, eyes, and felt by their own experience, the currency of their money had not been paid for some years; but the the country to be deranged, totally deranged, by the arbi- other tribes wished their money to be thus distributed. trary act of the Executive thereon, and all its attendant There was a danger, in paying the money to the chiefs, evils—the confidence of the capital of the country to be that the other Indians were cheated out of their money. thereby destroyerl; and with the confidence, the credit, He thought that a general rule of that kind would throw and with the credit, the business, and with the business, the money into the hands of the chiefs, and the common the prosperity of the country, to be destroyed; and that Indians would get nothing. The amendment would apply these disastrous consequences of that arbitrary act of to the Cherokees, but not to the Indians generally. power still remain upon the country; and must remain, Mr. SPRAGUE knew it to be a fact, that the annuity unabated and unmitigated, while the cause remains as it to the Cherokees had not been paid for several years, bedoes, unremoved and unremedied.

cause the Government made a change as to the persons or It seeins now to be finally settled, that the cause is not the corporations who were to receive it. to be removed, and that the country is not to be relieved, If the treaty were to be kept with the Cherokees, the either by the action of the Executive, or of Congress. money ought to be paid. There had been no treaty with The country must now be aware of this fact; and they individuals; the treaty was to pay them as a corporate will now no longer feed themselves with delusive hopes body. The obligation was not discharged by refusing to from that quarter. They must now see that the only pay their authorized agent, any more than the obligation remedy for their grievances is to be found in themselves, of the French treaty would be discharged by the Govern. and to be applied by themselves.

ment of France sending over agents to this country, and “ To your tents, then, O Israel!"

undertaking to pay to every individual citizen wbatever The proceedings were then referred in the usual way, in a treaty with a community, ought to be paid to them as

his share would amount to. He thought that any thing and ordered to be printed. On motion of Mr. SOUTHARD,

a community, and to refuse to pay them so, was a mere Ordered, That the meetings of the Senate, in future, evasion and violation of the treaty, and a refusal to pay be at ten o'clock A. M. until the end of the session.

them their stipulations. After the first and second readings and refe

ce of a

Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN agreed to modify his amend. number of bills from the House of Representatives, the ment by striking out "Indian tribes," and inserting "the Senate proceeded to the consideration of Executive busi- Cherokees east of the Mississippi.” He argued that the ness, and after spending some time therein, adjourned. money ought to be, and formerly was, paid to the chiefs.

They had a general treasury; and the withholding of it WEDNESDAY, JUNE 25.

was a fruitful source of discontent. It had arisen from

our prejudices, which had taught us to look upon them as CLAIMS FOR LOST PROPERTY, &c.

not fit to take care of their own property. The bill to provide for the payment of claims for prop- Mr. FORSYTH said, the original proposition of the erty lost, captured, or destroyed by the enemy, while in Senator from New Jersey was a very simple one; it was the military service of the United States during the late to the effect that the Government had no right to go bewar with Great Britain, and the Indian wars subsequent yond the corporate character of the Indians. The hon. thereto, and for other purposes, was taken up, on motion orable Senator's present proposition, however, abandoned of Mr. KING, of Alabama.

this ground; he now left out of the question the great body After some conversation between Messrs. KING of of the Cherokees, and confined himself to a particular Alabama, CALHOUN, and TIPTON,

tribe of that nation. He now exerted himself solely on On motion of Mr. CALHOUN, the bill was laid upon behalf of the Cherokees on the eastern side of the Missisthe table; yeas 19, nays 16.

sippi; why were those on the western side neglected by RESPECT TO LAFAYETTE.

the honorable Senator? Mr. WEBSTER, from the select joint committee ap

Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN would willingly extend his pointed to consider and report by what tokens of respect proposition so as to take in the Cherokees on the westand feeling it would be proper to manifest the deep sense

ern side of the Mississippi. of the nation on the afflicting intelligence of the death of

Mr. FORSYTH was against the proposition in both cases.

Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN had supposed so. General Lafayette, made a report, which he said he would not ask for the reading of, as the Senate would probably

Mr. FORSYTH continued: Why was this distinction consider the resolution of the House on that subject in made between the Indians on the east and those on the the course of the morning.

west of the Mississippi? It was because the individuals who

composed the council of the former, wanted possession of INDIAN APPROPRIATIONS.

this money. None but these persons had complained or On motion of Mr. WEBSTER, the Senate proceeded sent petitions to the Government; they would not suffer to the consideration of the bill making appropriations for the common Indians, over whom they had any influence, Indian annuities, and for other purposes, for the year to come forward and receive their annuities, until the 1834.

money had been placed for division in their (the chiefs') Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN moved, as an amendment, hands. Now if this latter disposition of the money were that the appropriation to be made by this act, shall be made, what would be the consequence? What would be made to the chiefs of the tribes. He stated, that until the done with it? Why, a part of the annuity had already present administration came into power, the appropria- been expended in the purchase of a press, and this would tions were made to the chiefs, since which, it had been be done again if the present arrangement of the Governordered to be paid to the individuals of the tribes. This ment were interfered with. Was this just to the poor Inmode of distributing the money was attended with much dian, who frequently had not a blanket to cover bis naindividual inconvenience. It was to be distributed through kedness, or a morsel of food to put into his mouth? If this tribes scattered over two hundred miles of territory. It money got into the treasury of the council, it would never had not been satisfactory to the tribes; and in consequence reach the destination which was originally intended. The JUNE 25, 1834.)

Indian Appropriations.--Respect to Lafayette.

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council wanted money to travel about; to come to the seat length of getting an alphabet! they had even infringed of Government and present petitions against the Execu- upon old Dilworth, and got up a spelling-book: they had tive of the United States, and in this way the annuity also printed the New Testament.' Mr. F. concluded by would be expended.

saying that he hoped the poor and despised Cherokee Mr. TIPTON made some observations in opposition to would yet rise to a level with the people of this country, the amendment, and in favor of the manner in which this and set an example which should bring a blush upon the matter was at present regulated by the Government. cheek of the latter at the remembrance of former pro

Mr. SPRAGUE said, he had as yet heard nothing in ceedings. answer to the objection which he had made as to the Mr. FORSYTH beliered that John Ross was intelligent, Government paying the money to individuals, when they and of a decently good character; he was not a poor Inhad agreed to pay it to a corporation. Gentlemen had no dian; Mr. F. wished he was as poor, for he was probably right to enter upon the consideration of the abstract ques- worth $100,000. But the use to which the annuity was tion of what was best for the Indian, in connexion with put, was to take possession of the money of others to rethis subject. If this principle were admitted, he doubted tain and extend their own power; such was the use made not we should soon find out that it would be better to keep of it by Ross & Co. If they had the power to get it into the money ourselves than to give it to the Indian, wbo their hands, they had the power to make such use of it as might possibly make a bad use of it. Mr. S. said, that if they pleased. Mr. F. objected to the inconsistency of there was any sentiment of national faith remaining among limiting this provision to a part of the Cherokees. He Senators, that sentiment must lead to the conviction that said the cause of discontent with the Cherokees east of they were bound to pay this money in the way proposed the Mississippi was, that the chiefs forbade individuals to by the Senator from New Jersey. Gentlemen would not receive the money. Mr. F.'s objection to the establishnow recognise the chiefs as the agents of the Cherokee ment of a press among the Cherokees, was, that they could nation; but were willing enough to do so when they want- not read the paper, and that it was used to agitate the el Indian lands, when they wanted the chiefs to sell their people on the great Cherokee question. country. The circumstance of these Indians having a Mr. CHAMBERS moved to modify the amendment, by press among them was brought forward, too, as a plea extending the provision to the Cherokees west of the upon which to resist their just claims. Why, this showed Mississippi, which modification Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN acthe extent of civilization to which they had arrived. But cepted. gentlemen, it appeared, would rather give the money to Mr. WHITE said the modification made the amend. the individual Indians themselves, who would expend it in ment better than it was; but he was opposed to extending five minutes for whiskey, than have it applied in any the provision to all the Indian tribes. He argued that in way that would tend to raise them above their present the treaties they were not regarded in the light of civilcondition.

ized nations, because an agent was placed among them by Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN desired the Senate to imagine the Government for the transaction of their affairs. He such a scene as the payment of the annuity under the ex. thought there could be no violation of faith, if the money isting arrangement; the individual Indians brought from a were paid in s'ich manner as to make it most beneficial to distance of 100 to 140 miles, for the purpose of receiving the Indians; the stipulations were, in that case, substantheir half dollar or dollar; the Indian camp, after the pay. tially fulfilled. He belived that a great proportion of the ment had been made, surrounded by that class of white tribes preferred the manner of payment adopted by the people who rioted on the vice of the Indians. What a administration, as it was said in many cases that the chiefs glorious process of civilization! Mr. F. continued: If the could not make the payments in a manner satisfactory to Cherokee Indians were superior to any other tribe, it was the tribes. He admitted that the case of the Cherokees in consequence of their having followed the advice of was an exception to an almost general rule. He was in Washington, and confided their money to their chiefs—to favor of adoping that mode which would be most for the those who lived with and cared for them, and who were benefit of the Indians, and for the easy transaction of the anxious to promote their best interests. Mr. F. then spoke business of the Government. He was in favor of no vioin favor of the Indian delegates, Messrs. Ross & Co. and lations of treaty stipulations, and said if the individual described them as individuals entitled to the highest con- Indians would not receive the annuities, he was in favor fidence. It had been said that these persons wished to of paying them according to their wishes. monopolize the annuity. Ross and Co., however, were In- Mr. FORSYTH moved to strike out that part relating dians, and must bear it. He held in his hand a paper reg- to the chiefs, and inserting that the payment should be ularly signed, by which it appears that these men were made to such persons as should be selected by the mathe appointed and authorized agents of the council of the jority of the tribe. Cherokee nation; what excuse then could there be for not Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN objected to the proposition as paying the money to them? But these people had a press; extremely inconvenient in practice, and going backward further supplies of money, therefore, must be arrested, in the march of civilization. He hoped the amendment as there would be more presses, and the whole Indian would not prevail. country would be filled with information. They were Mr. FORSYTH endeavored to show that the method pouring light upon those parts of the country which gen- proposed by him was easily practicable, as the number of ilemen wished to be kept in darkness. They were now Cherokees did not exceed 20,000; he insisted that treaturning the money which they received to purposes of ties had been made with the tribe, and not with John instruction; making it serviceable to them in their prose- Ross & Co. cution of the arts and sciences, instead of spending it in Mr. FORSYTH's amendment was lost, yeas 16, nays 19. licentiousness; and honorable Senators would stop this. The question was then taken upon the amendment, The Cherokee Indians were becoming enlightened by the which prevailed, and it was ordered to be engrossed. course they had adopted. They could no longer be made, The bill, as amended, then received its third reading. as formerly, the victims of designing men. Mr. F. here

RESPECT TO LAFAYETTE. stated that he had known a buffalo robe, which would have sold in any of our cities for sixteen or seventeen dol- The joint resolution from the other House relative to lars, given at one time among these Indians for a quart of the death of General Lafayette, was then read. whiskey. But this could no longer be done. They were Mr. WEBSTER said he should not say a single word now acquiring information; they now printed books; they respecting the character of the illustrious individual whose had got an alphabet-yes! they had gone the audacious decease was the subject of this resolution. The present

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