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DEBATES IN CONGRESS.

PART II. OF VOL. X.

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Explanatory Message.

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decl he limits of the prerogative and power which I do not entertain, and more particularly am I soliwho hastended his claims far beyond those of citous that I may not be supposed to claim for myself, or tsh mo arch since the English revolution, I shall my successors, any power or authority not clearly granted agus th- motion of the honorable member from to the President by the constitution and laws. I have Pennsylvama, and every other motion to proceed to any therefore respectfully to request that this communication heimportant business, before this paper has been dis-may be considered a part of that message; and that it may be entered therewith on the Journals of the Senate. April 21st, 1834.

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Mr. CALHOUN followed on the same side, expressing Da hearty concy rence in the views taken by the Senator com Delaware, and 1 earnest hope that the Senate would rease proceɛ to any other business. that he only wished the Senate

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to consider a treaty.

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ANDREW JACKSON. After the message had been read

Mr. POINDEXTER moved that this message also be not received; and that certain resolutions, which he pro posed as a modification of his motion that the test be not received, be printed; intending, at a proper time, to move their adoption.

Mr. SPRAGUE said the treaty was unimportant at this time, and concurred fully in the views of Mr. CLAYTON. Mr. PRESTON took occasion to say that he was deMr. WILKINS then withdrew the motion, and gave lighted at the message which the President of the United actice that he would renew it again on Monday, after the States had done the Senate the honor to send in to them gentleman for Ohio [Mr. EwING] should have conclu-to-day. He was extremely gratified also at the message

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which had now been submitted, not only because it put
a gloss on the principles contained in the first paper, and
thus betrays the apprehension of the President, that, in
their original and naked form, the whole country, every
man in the country, would revolt against them.
was also delighted, because it proved that the ear of the
President had not been entirely closed against the de-
bates of the Senate, and that these debates had been suc-
cessful in compelling him to change the expression of h
views. He believed that, before the termination of the
session, there would be many such explanations; that
every day would be productive of them; until, finally,
the text would be absolutely overwhelmed by the com-
mentaries.

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Having reason to believe that certain passages containel in my message and protest transmitted to the Senate the 17th instant, may be misunderstood, I think it Mr. FORSYTH did not understand very well what progper to state, that it was not my intention to deny, in ress was to be made in this business. The honorable age, the power and right of the legislative Senator from Mississippi proposed that his condemnatory partment to provide by law for the custody, safe keep-resolutions should be placed upon the Journals of the 7, and disposition, of the public money and property Senate, and that the message should note Cir. F.) should imagine it must be decided, in the first I am well satisfied that such a construction is instance, whether the document would be received. ated by any thing contained in that message, He submitted to the gentleman whether it rt, aware, from experience, that detached passages of an to the character of the Senate, and that of the Chief gumentative document, when disconnected from their Magistrate, that the paper, as well as the resolutions Cintext, and considered without reference to previous condemning it, should be placed on the records. With mitations, and the particular positions they were intend-respect to the explanatory message to which reference to refute or to establish, may be made to bear a con- has been made, he was somewhat glad that it had been stion, varying altogether from the sentiments really sent to them this morning, not because it altered, in retained and intended to be expressed; and deeply the slightest degree, in his opinion, the correctness of citous that my views on this point should not, either the opinions contained in the message of the President, aw or hereafter, be misapprehended, I have deemed it but because it prevented a construction being given to the gravity of the subject, to the great interests it his language different from that which he intended. Hie e, and to the Senate, as well as to myself, to (Mr. F.) understood the original message to assert only te the earliest opportunity to make this communi- a very simple proposition-that it was not possible for the legislature of the United States to create another exeenIdmit, without reserve, as I have before done, the tive power. The gentleman from South Carolina was 4ational power of the legislature to prescribe, by mistaken in regard to the object of the supplementary , the place or places in which the public money or message; it was not sent to correct an error, but for the er property is to be deposited; and to make such reg-purpose of giving a more full explanation of a previously tions concerning its custody, removal, or disposition, expressed opinion, to prevent an erroneous impression they may think proper to enact. Nor do I claim for from being entertained. He (Mr. F.) hoped the honoraExecutive any right to the possession or disposition of ble Senator from Mississippi, with his usual candor, would le property or treasure, or any authority to inter-withdraw his motion to print the resolutions, and let the le with the same, except when such possession, dispo-Senate decide first whether it would or would not receive , or authority, is given to him by law. Nor do I the message. It would be manifestly unjust to refuse to rom the right in any manner to supervise or interfere put the paper on the records while the resolutions were it the person intrusted with such property or treasure, placed there. It would be wrong to make any such die3 he be an officer whose appointment is, under the tinction. What would posterity think of the act-restitution and laws, devolved upon the President, cording a strong condemnation of a Chief Magistrate, , or in conjunction with the Senate, and for whose without doing him the justice to preserve his defence? Det he is constitutionally responsible. Would they think it just or unjust? Surely, surely, A the message and protest referred to may appear on Senators would not act so unfairly. Independent of all Journals of the Senate, and remain among the record-other considerations, such as the high position he occuforuments of the nation, I am unwilling that opinions pied in the confidence of the people, it would be most uld be imputed to me, even through misconstruction, unjust to him as a simple individual.

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APRIL 21, 1834.]

Explanatory Message.

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cuss and declare the limits of the prerogative and power which I do not entertain, and more particularly am I soliof one who has extended his claims far beyond those of citous that I may not be supposed to claim for myself, or any British monarch since the English revolution, I shall my successors, any power or authority not clearly granted vote against the motion of the honorable member from to the President by the constitution and laws. I have Pennsylvania, and every other motion to proceed to any therefore respectfully to request that this communication other important business, before this paper has been dis- may be considered a part of that message; and that it may posed of. be entered therewith on the Journals of the Senate. April 21st, 1834. ANDREW JACKSON. After the message had been read

Mr. CALHOUN followed on the same side, expressing his hearty concurrence in the views taken by the Senator from Delaware, and his earnest hope that the Senate would refuse to proceed to any other business.

Mr. WILKINS replied that he only wished the Senate to consider a treaty.

Mr. SPRAGUE said the treaty was unimportant at this time, and concurred fully in the views of Mr. CLAYTON. Mr. WILKINS then withdrew the motion, and gave notice that he would renew it again on Monday, after the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. EwING] should have concluded his remarks.

On motion of Mr. EWING,

The Senate then adjourned to Monday.

MONDAY, APRIL 21.

EXPLANATORY MESSAGE.

Mr. POINDEXTER moved that this message also be not received; and that certain resolutions, which he proposed as a modification of his motion that the original protest be not received, be printed; intending, at a proper time, to move their adoption.

Mr. PRESTON took occasion to say that he was delighted at the message which the President of the United States had done the Senate the honor to send in to them to-day. He was extremely gratified also at the message which had now been submitted, not only because it put a gloss on the principles contained in the first paper, and thus betrays the apprehension of the President, that, in their original and naked form, the whole country, every man in the country, would revolt against them. And he was also delighted, because it proved that the ear of the President had not been entirely closed against the debates of the Senate, and that these debates had been successful in compelling him to change the expression of his views. He believed that, before the termination of the session, there would be many such explanations; that every day would be productive of them; until, finally, the text would be absolutely overwhelmed by the commentaries.

The following message, explanatory of the protest sent on the 17th instant, was received from the President of the United States, by Mr. Donelson, his private Secretary.

To the Senate of the United States:

Having reason to believe that certain passages contained in my message and protest transmitted to the Senate ou the 17th instant, may be misunderstood, I think it Mr. FORSYTH did not understand very well what progproper to state, that it was not my intention to deny, in ress was to be made in this business. The honorable the said message, the power and right of the legislative Senator from Mississippi proposed that his condemnatory department to provide by law for the custody, safe keep-resolutions should be placed upon the Journals of the ing and disposition of the public money and property Senate, and that the message should not. He (Mr. tae United States. F.) should imagine it must be decided, in the first

Although I am well satisfied that such a construction is instance, whether the document would be received. not warranted by any thing contained in that message, He submitted to the gentleman whether it was not due yet, aware, from experience, that detached passages of an to the character of the Senate, and that of the Chief argumentative document, when disconnected from their Magistrate, that the paper, as well as the resolutions context, and considered without reference to previous condemning it, should be placed on the records. With limitations, and the particular positions they were intend-respect to the explanatory message to which reference ed to refute or to establish, may be made to bear a con- has been made, he was somewhat glad that it had been struction, varying altogether from the sentiments really sent to them this morning, not because it altered, in entertained and intended to be expressed; and deeply the slightest degree, in his opinion, the correctness of solicitous that my views on this point should not, either the opinions contained in the message of the President, now or hereafter, be misapprehended, I have deemed it but because it prevented a construction being given to due to the gravity of the subject, to the great interests it his language different from that which he intended. He involves, and to the Senate, as well as to myself, to (Mr. F.) understood the original message to assert only embrace the earliest opportunity to make this communi- a very simple proposition-that it was not possible for the legislature of the United States to create another execuI admit, without reserve, as I have before done, the tive power. The gentleman from South Carolina was Constitutional power of the legislature to prescribe, by mistaken in regard to the object of the supplementary law, the place or places in which the public money or message; it was not sent to correct an error, but for the other property is to be deposited; and to make such reg-purpose of giving a more full explanation of a previously ulations concerning its custody, removal, or disposition, expressed opinion, to prevent an erroneous impression as they may think proper to enact. Nor do I claim for from being entertained. He (Mr. F.) hoped the honorathe Executive any right to the possession or disposition of ble Senator from Mississippi, with his usual candor, would the public property or treasure, or any authority to inter- withdraw his motion to print the resolutions, and let the fere with the same, except when such possession, dispo-Senate decide first whether it would or would not receive sition, or authority, is given to him by law. Nor do I the message. It would be manifestly unjust to refuse to claim the right in any manner to supervise or interfere put the paper on the records while the resolutions were with the person intrusted with such property or treasure, placed there. It would be wrong to make any such disunless he be an officer whose appointment is, under the constitution and laws, devolved upon the President, alone, or in conjunction with the Senate, and for whose conduct he is constitutionally responsible.

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As the message and protest referred to may appear on the Journals of the Senate, and remain among the record ed documents of the nation, I am unwilling that opinions should be imputed to me, even through misconstruction,

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tinction. What would posterity think of the act-recording a strong condemnation of a Chief Magistrate, without doing him the justice to preserve his defence? Would they think it just or unjust? Surely, surely, Senators would not act so unfairly. Independent of all other considerations, such as the high position he occupied in the confidence of the people, it would be most unjust to him as a simple individual.

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