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By the CHAIRMAN: Q. How many employés had to come to you to pay their taxes in October ?-A. With the exception of these gentlemen, no one came to me with money to pay their taxes. As I said, it was the custom to take out taxes from the pay of the men. If there is money coming to the men, we take out the taxes and turn the money over to the collector, or the men can work it out; but it is a State's prison offence if they vote and the money has not been paid either there or to the collector's office.
Q. The men usually came and paid their taxes to you, or had them taken out of their pay ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. And in that way you got an opportunity to talk politics with them, and you did it. You talked to the rest of the meu as you talked to Farrell and Duffy ?-A. Yes, sir; but there was no intimidation in any way.
Q. The argument which you made use of was about the same as that which Judge McDonald has stated !-A. Yes, sir.
CUARLES K. LAVAREE sworn and examined.
By Mr. BLAIR:
Q. Are you in the employ of the Slater Woolen Company -A. I have charge of the store called the Slater Woolen Company's store.
Q. What are your political sentiments ?--A. I have always voted the Republican ticket.
Q. Were you at the election last fall?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. State wbat, if anything, you have to do with the help or the operatives employed in this mill or by this corporation.-A. The store is a company's store which would employ 31 clerks. I do the buying of the goods and the selling, and have nothing to do with the mills. At that election each party bad a rallying committee. I was put on as one of the rallying committee for that section of the town, to see that the voters tbere got down to vote at that election.
Q. State all that you did with reference to the election so far as the operatives of the mill were concerned, or as to their voting on election day:-A. I had nothing to do with the operatives of the mill in voting, but the store clerks in my charge—the Butler men, Abbott men, and Republicans. I saw that they all went to vote. There were twenty-two or twenty-threz voters. There were two Butler men, and two Abbott men. The rest, I suppose, voted Republican, although I never saw how any of them voted, and only know of it as they told me. There was one Abbott man, a Yankee (or, rather, he was a Democrat, as many of the Butler men had formerly been), and he said that wlieu Bitler spoke at the meeting there that had settled bim, that he should not vote for Butler. I afterwards learned that he voted for Talbot. I said nothing to him about it.
Q. You may state what, if anything, you did on election day.-A. I did nothing more than to see that all these men went, We couldu't all leave the store at once, and from each department I let down one or two at a time. About the last man wbo voted was a Butler man, a Frenchman, who said he guessed he did not care to vote. I told him he had better go and vote ; I did not want any of them to stay back. He went and voted. I saw no intimidation at the polls anywhere.
Q. Did you yourself undertake to exert any influence to get a voter to cast bis ballot against his own choice -A. No, sir.
Q. Did you see any other Republican or any one else do that, that day, or during the canvass ?-A. No, sir; I did not, no more than politics would be talked. The most was that a Butler man would get in there and pass the circulars around and button-hole men, to meet bim during the canvass.
Q. In the mills ?-A. No.
Q. What do you mean by that, “ button hole men”!-A. I mean on the street or in the store, to persuade men. Mr. Waters was, I suppose, the man to do it. He used to come and peddle his pamphlets at noon time, as the men would come out. I have seen him do that.
Q. Did the men who were for General Butler have the same chance to reach the polls that otber men bad ?-A. Yes, sir; they had a wagon with a large black can vass, a covered carriage, and drove up past the store to the villages, got their men and took them down. I suppose they had a rallying committee as the other parties had. The team came up past there. I saw them come up and they wanted to get some men there.
Q. It was really a freer election than ever before ?-A. We called it a quiet election. I never heard any complaint until this came up. We were really chagrined that Butler did not come any more. They said that if he had come there and spoken again they could have cast more votes the other way. I heard some of them say that.
Q. How much time did you spend at the polls yourself !-A. Not more than five minutes.
Q. A statement was made here by one of the witnesses, Mr. Waters, to this effect (reading] : “ Last fall, mill operatives were brought to the polls in teams; they were met there by Mr. Fletcher, superintendent of the North Mill, and Mr. Lavaree, superintendent of one of the inills, who provided them with Republicav tickets and told them to cast them; mill.owners and overseers are Republicans, but a large part of the operatives are Democrats; many of them said that they should vote for Butler, but when the the time came they voted against bim."-A. That was because be came there and spoke.
Q. Is that which I have read a correct statement with regard to your standing there to receive the operatives as they came ?-A. No, sir; there is not a word of truth in it.
Q. Did you tell them to cast Republican tickets ?-A. No, sir; I bare a' team to drive myself and have my own horse to do business with. There were men who came down to the store, and when they wanteri men who were in the far part of the villages, where they badu't come in from until late in the day. I went, after one o'clock, to see why they would not come down or where they were. That was all. I didn't pedule a vote that day.
Q. He has also stated here that several of the operatives were dis. charged from the will in consequence of independent voting ?-A. We have not had one discharge from the mill at all that I bave kuown of, nor from either mill. I should be likely to know if it had been so.
By the CHAIRMAN: Q. Have you chage of the rolls ?-A. No, sir; I have only charge of the store.
Q. Then it would have been simply hearsay, if you had heard of the discharge of any one?-A. It would bave been reported to the store if be bad got through and been settled with.
Q. Nobody was reported to the store toward the election ?-A. No, sir.
Q. You are certain of that !--[The answer, if given, was inaudible at the reporter's seat.)
Q. Your business was to be there at the election as one of the rallying committee ?-A. To take the men down. I wasn't to stop trade and shut up the store.
Q. When did you go down to the voting place ?-A. Between 12 and 2 we went down there; I guess it was about 2 o'clock. A list was banded to me of names of men who had not come in, and I went to see where tbey were.
Q. Did you look particularly after the men of the company ?-A.. No.
Q. Did you look particularly after the men of the store ?-:1. It was those men who lived on the street, in that section of the town. Our rallying committee was to look after those.
Q. Were the men who lived on that street mainly the men of the corporation ?-A. Probably there were more of them who were than who were not.
Q. How many of the men who were employed in the store were of foreign birth ?-A. We have French, Irish, and German.
Q. Before Mr. Butler came there to speak, how many Democrats were there in the store ?-A. I should say there were four Frenchmen who were voters and who probably were all Democrats. As to the Geriau, I could not say whether he was a Democrát or not.
Q. Is there an Irishman in the store ?-A. There is an Irishman in the store ; be is a Democrat, of course.
Q. Irishmen are always Democrats—is that what you mean by that ? -A. I thiuk they are as a general rule. I don't think you will find an exception. Tbey are very strong Democrats, and there was one a Yan. kee, who was a Democrat; the one who, I said, after he bad heard Butler speak said he would vote the other way.
Q. After Butler spoke there, you were more active ?-A. No; because we thought he bad killed bimself.
Q. You had been talking about tbe business of the country and bow Butler's doctrines would affect it ?-A. I don't know that that was talked of there in the store.
Q. bat was the talk in the store ?-A. The great talk was about his coming around with a great big bag of money and handing it out free to everybody. I told this man not to mind any such talk as that.
Q. Was there ang tak between you and the Irisbwau as to the effect of Butler's doctrine on your business I-A. No; I did not talk that way. I never bave time to talk politics only in joking.
Q. Were you at the polls all day ?-A. No, sir; I was only there long enough to cast my vote, which would take about five minutes.
Q. You were at the election. Where was it held !-A. The election was beld up there in a four-story building. It was hard to get up. My business was principally as rallying committee. I had nothing to do but to see to the outside. There has been testimony here that I ped. dled votes, I understand, but I peddled no votes. I was merely engaged in getting the voters there.
Q. How long were you in business there ?-A. Six years last July.
Q. Was this the first year in which you were so engaged ?-A. Vo; I don't know but that I have been upon the rallying committee two or three times. They put me oni.
Q. Because you were an active man ?-A. I don't know. I do what is right.
By Mr. MCDONALD : Q. I understand you to say that this Irish Democrat said that if But. ler was elected somebody would come around with a bag of money, of greenbacks ?-A. That was the talk. Some of the Irishmen said that if Butler was elected there would be plenty of money around and they would pass it out to all of them.
Q. Did you not tell him that that kind of money wouldn't be worth anything ?-A. I don't know that I did.
Q. He was trying to show that money would be very plenty if Butler was elected, and you were trying to show that it would not be worth anything, were you not?-A. I don't know that I did bave any such talk as that, tbat I tbought money would be very plenty.
Q. Was the subject of politics discussed in the store often ?-A. Prob. ably it was and probably it was not in the store.
Q. Did you give them the benefit of your views on the subject of poli. tics -A. Probably I did, sometimes. I might have had occasion to speak, I don't know how many times. Probably I did.
Q. When the subject would come up, did you not take occasion to give them the benefit of your opinion ?-A. I don't know.
Q. You wanted Butler beaten, did you not ?-A. I always said he would be beateni.
Q. Didn't you want him beaten !-A. O, yes; I naturally did, if I worked against bim. I never paid out any money for him.
Q. There are other ways of doing besides paying out money ?—A. I only worked in that way to get the voters out at town meeting.
THOMAS SHERLOCK sworn and examined.
By Mr. BLAIR :
Q. Do you mean that you have worked for the Slater Manufacturing
Q. Did you go to the polls last fall to vote -A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did anybody try to prevent your voting for General Butler ?-A.
Q. You voted just as you wanted to ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did anybody threaten you that if you voted for General Butler you might lose your place, or it would not be so well for you in the place in which you bad been ?-A. No, sir.
Q. Was nothing said, before or after the election, to intimidate you ?A. No, sir.
Q. Did Mr. Slater or Mr. Lavaree, or any of these men, the owners or managers of the mills, undertake to scare the employés, to keep them from voting for Butler ?-A. Not that I heard of.
Q. Did you hear any complaint among the men that their employers interfered with them about voting ?-A. No, sir.
Q. Did you know of any of the workmen who worked for this com
pany, or for anybody else, being discharged by reason of their voting A. No, sir.
Q. Mr. Waters, I believe it was, testified that you came to him with a ballot in a sealed envelope which had been given to you by a mill-overseer, and that you had been told to cast it. Was that so?-A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know Mr. Love !--A. Yes, sir.
Q. You had nothing to do with him about the balloting, had you lA. No, sir.
By the CHAIRMAN: Q. How long, do you say, have you been there working - A. Four years.
Q. Have you a family ?-A. No, sir; I am a single man.
Q. How many of the family are working in the mills !-A. There are four of us altogether.
Q. Where were you born ?-A. In Connecticut.
Q. From whom did you get the ticket ?-A. I couldn't tell. I got a good many tickets; I couldu't tell whom they were from.
Q. Did you get any ticket that was sealed before you came down to vote?-A. No, sir,
Q. Did you get a ticket when you came to vote ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. From whom did you get it ?—A. I couldn't tell; there were so many there.
Q. Did you go down in a wagon ?-A. I walked down.
Q. When did you go down ?-A. I went down about a quarter of an hour before the polls opened.
Q. Early in the morning !-A. Yes, sir.
Q. You didn't talk with any body that day about how you were going to vote ?-A. No, sir.
Q. Did you belong to the Butler club ?-A. Yes, sir.
Q. How long before the election did you join the club ?-A. I didn't join it. I went there and out the same as any common man.
Q. Was your name on the rolls as that of a Butler man?—A. No, sir.
Q. Did you talk publicly about going to vote for Butler?-A. No, sir; I did not.
Q. Who was your overseer ?-A. Captain Bates. Q. Did he know you were a Butler man ?-A. No; he didn't know what I was.
Q. You didn't talk much about wbat your politics were?-A. No, sir; I didu't.
Q. Did your father?--A. I haven't beard bim.
Q. Why didu't you tell what you were? Why did you not speak out and say you were a Butler man, and were going to vote for him ?-A. Because I thought it was just as good to vote my principles without talking.
Q. You were for Butler, though, all the time?—A. Yes, sir.