undertook to put my son's name down and make him vote, but I would not let him vote.

Q. What is the fact as to your son?-A. That son was not twentyone years of age until last March. I have other sons who are voters. Q. Were they living in the tenement?-A. Yes, sir; they lived with

me.

Q. As to the mode of taking the voters from the mills to the polls, how was that?-A. They have two great teams, three-horse teams, that they carry coal on, "boat wagons" they call them; then they have private carriages of their own, and they hire all the private carriages. The overseers ride in the private carriages; and, inside of the coal cart two great benches are laid along with one in the middle, and these are piled full with the men. In that way they come up from Manchaug Village to Sutton Centre, where we vote. When that is over, Mr. Chase tells them to go home, and probably he pays for their rum. We generally calculated that he would give a couple of rounds apiece and pay the bill. He generally pays their liquor bill as they go through Sut

ton.

Q. These men are taken generally in the wagons of the company?— A. Yes, sir; they are paid their day's wages into the bargain.

Q. Who meets them at the polls?-A. Mr. Chase is there always. Q. Who is the selectman who receives the ballots-A. The chairman of the board, who sits in the center. There are three selectmen there. We have a moderator, but he does not preside over the ballotbox.

Q. Who was the first selectman at that time?-A. John McArthur. Q. Robert McArthur is the superintendent and John McArthur, his brother, is the outside man of the corporation ?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. Were men in the corporation known to you to be Butler men among those who were taken there and voted by Mr. Chase?-A. Yes; a great many. But he did not get them all; I think I stole some of them.

Q. You were pretty active? You worked all that you could for Butler?-A. I never saw the man, but I liked him.

Q. Referring still to the last fall election, describe the kind of ballots that went into the box ?-A. There were three kinds of tickets, the Republican, the Butler, and what they called "the straight Democratic" ticket; I could tell the difference by seeing them go into the box. The Republican was larger than the Butler and the Democratic; they had two or three kinds, but all the Republican tickets were larger and of heavier paper. They had an open box, and Mr. McArthur, when they were putting them in the box, would take and turn them over and see how the men voted. I objected to it and he stopped it.

By Mr. McDONALD:

Q. You say it was an open box?-A. It was a kind of square box like that one [indicating], and when a man put his ticket in, he [McArthur] wanted to get them head and head together in this way [indicating].

Q. Was there no lid on the box?-A. No, sir.

By Mr. BLAIR:

Q. You say that he stopped when you objected?-A. Yes, sir.

By Mr. McDONALD:

Q. Did you ask Mr. Chase what he had given you that notice to quit for?-A. No, sir; I did not. He told me that it came from headquar

ters; that, as far as he was concerned, he did not know anything about it, and no one took any responsibility about it.

Q. He told you that you would have to get out of the tenement?-A. He said he would bet me one hundred to five that I would. I told him I had no money to stand, but that I was going to vote in Sutton if it cost me a barn, or something like that.

Q. Your wages were A. Taken for my family.

Q. Did he say they wanted you out of there?—A. No.

Q. What did he say?-A. He first notified me to go to Worcester to see the lawyer about it. Within two weeks, they notified me not to ap pear at Worcester and then again notified me to vacate the house at 10 o'clock on the next morning. I went to Worcester on the next morning. Then they went and leased the house while I was still in it, and he notified me out. But they gave me time by their little mistakes to have a chance to vote. Then I got my place and was ready to move.

Q. Who was this man to whom they leased the tenement?-A. His name is James Seymour. He was a man as to whom I had my doubts whether he was naturalized. I do not think he was naturalized at any time.

Q. State his politics?-A. Republican.

Q. He was a more important man for them than you were?—A. Well, I voted for Phillips the year before. I am not a strong party man. Q. But when you voted you wanted to vote for whom you pleased?. A. Yes, every time.

Q. You did not want somebody else to vote you?-A. I don't think they have any right to.

Q. You have described how those men were brought up from the fac tory to the polls, and you say that Mr. Chase gave them tickets?—A. He generally attended to it, but he had assistants-Seymour or myself.

Q. Were the votes that he gave them generally in envelopes ?—A. Not always.

Q. Were envelopes given out to the men in the factory there?—A. I had a good many men giving them out, and the Republicans gave out some envelopes.

Q. Did you give them to men in the factory?-A. Yes, on the sly. Q. Did you notice anything peculiar in Chase's envelopes ?—A. I could not tell you about that. I saw him take envelopes out of a man's hand and stand and argue with him half an hour, and put another in his hand. I was standing at the entrance, and I told him-well, no matter; it has nothing to do with this case.

By Mr. PLATT:

Q. Who was this who, you say, you saw take envelopes out of a man's hand and argue with him half an hour?-A. Charles Chase.

Q. When was that?-A. On the 7th day of last November.

Q. Who was the man out of whose hand the envelope was taken ?— A. Charles A. Smith. I think there is an "A" to it.

Q. Did you take a little part in the argument yourself?-A. Not at that time.

Q. After Chase got through ?-A. When he got to me the man had got through voting. I was on the extreme end like this, and he was on that end. The ballot-box was as far away as that door.

Q. Which was nearer to the ballot-box, you or the man ?-A. He was on the entrance, in that way [indicating].

Q. He was at the entrance and you were at the exit ?-A. Exactly.

Q. What was your business in Manchaug? You did not work for the company?—A. I did a spell of work for the company.

Q. At the time your family occupied the house?-A. I am a mason by trade. At this time I was building a cistern in old Douglass Town for a man who used to occupy the post office.

Q. What majority had Talbot there?-A. Fifty-seven majority in our town over Butler, and I think forty-five over Butler and Abbott. He had two hundred and twenty-seven; Butler had one hundred and seventy, or something like that.

Q. What was the result in 1877?-A. In 1877 the town was Democratic.

Q. I am not talking of the town election, but of the governor's election the year before?-A. I was there, but do not remember.

Q. You did all that you could for Butler?-A. Yes, sir. I objected to some illegal voting. I knew how it was carried on, and I objected to one illegal vote; and he said that he would back him up in spite of me or any other damned man.

Q. What was the situation relatively of Douglass and Manchaug?A. Douglass is not in the town of Sutton, but in the next town. Manchaug is right on the verge of the town of Sutton.

Q. Did your duties extend over to Sutton?-A. I lived in Sutton, and took all the active part I could in circulating campaign matter. took the documents to every house, and worked night and day.

2. You took the documents to every house without reference to whether the occupants were Republicans or Democrats ?-A. Yes, sir; I did.

Q. And Butler's speeches ?-A. And Butler's speeches on finance, and everything else. I worked hard; there is no question about that. Q. Did you get the feeling considerably wrought up?-A. Not very bad. I did not want to hurt any man in the corporation, but I did want our side to win.

Q. It was just at the time of which you have spoken in reference to this Mr. Waters coming to see you that you got your notice?-A. It was in the evening of the same afternoon in which Waters came and that I got the notice about Mr. Thayer coming. I think it was upon a Saturday night that we had the meeting.

Q. You got it, then, between the time that Waters came to see you and the time of the meeting ?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. How long before that meeting did you get your notice ?-A. I was not at home when Waters came, but my wife told me that he had come in the afternoon. I got the notice through the mail, at supper time, that evening.

Q. So that, according to that, the notice must have been given to you before Waters came to see you?—A. It was dated that day. There are two mails a day, one at 2 o'clock, and one at half past seven.

Q. Do you think they had found out at the mill that Mr. Waters had been to your house inquiring for you, and that they had given you the notice on that account?-A. They knew a few days before that that I was very active. One of the overseers of the waif shop and I were talking politics, and he said he would not have a man in the village who would talk as I did on politics. But, then, he did not say that he was going to use his influence to hurt me.

Q. Give his name.-A. I cannot think of it.

Q. Mr. Chase, to whom you talked about it, never intimated to you that it was because you were a Democrat that he wanted you out ?—A. No, sir. I told him very plainly, "Let me stay in until after the elec

tion, and I will owe you nothing." He replied, "You shall go. I bet, by God, you go out, one hundred dollars to one."

Q. You and he had pretty warm words?-A. No; I had not.

Q. Did you talk back to him as he did to you?—A. No; I did not. Q. Chase has never said that it was on account of your politics --A. No, sir; he has not.

Q. Nor Mr. McArthur has not said so; he did not at the time?—A. No, sir. I have not spoken to Mr. McArthur within two years-not since the Tilden campaign.

Q. Do you mean to say that if you had gone out of that house you would have lost your vote?-A. I do not see how I could have got it if I had. How was I to get my vote?

Q. Where did you go when you did move?-A. I moved to Meriden, Connecticut, where I got employment. I did not see where I could go there, near Manchaug, without being blackballed, so I got into another State, out of the reach of the company.

Q. You think that before you got that notice nine-tenths of the village were Butler men?-A. So they were, in their talk.

Q. And the fact that you got that notice converted them?—A. It did not convert them, but it bulldozed them; it did me.

Q. So you think that by bulldozing Talbot got forty-five majority. Do you think that that did it all?-A. It certainly bulldozed me, though it did not interfere with my voting. One man told me he was obliged to vote that way because he had no place to go to.

Q. A man did not dare to say anything about Butler after that ?—A. I am for Butler all the time.

Q. But you attributed all this to the fact that you had got a notice to get out?-A. I do not know. I do not think I should have been noticed if it had not been for that.

Q. You really think so?-A. This that I speak of was the village, the eastern part of the town.

Q. Of those who work for this Manchaug Company, how many men voted?-A. They ought to vote forty, but they carry up about one hundred.

Q. There were five hundred and forty votes ?-A. We polled all the votes the last time.

Q. There were about five hundred and forty in round numbers ?—A. I do not know.

Q. I understand you to say that they carry up from forty-five to a hundred-A. I do not know; they might carry up that many.

Q. You want to answer questions fairly, do you not?-A. Well, if possible.

Q. You said they carried up from forty-five to one hundred ?—A. I did not say so; you misunderstood me. There are four hundred looms in the great mill, or about that, and

Q. You had five hundred and forty votes in Manchaug?-A. Not in Manchaug; in the town of Sutton.

Q. How many of those came from the Manchang mill ?-A. Probably one hundred and probably not.

Q. How many of those do you think were Republicans ?-A. I think not more than ten in a hundred. They have to vote Republican or quit.

Q. Do you mean to say that nine-tenths of the voters in Sutton were for Butler, and got tremendously scared?-A. I did not say in Sutton, but in the village of Manchaug.

Q. Then it was simply this village of Manchaug that you got into this blaze?-A. Certainly.

Q. Did they get frightened out of their senses, and was that the reason they did not vote for Butler ?-A. The most of them got scared. I was the most active in the campaign, but the notice didn't scare me at all.

Q. When was your son discharged?-A. About four days after I was noticed.

Q. That is after you had this talk with Chase that day?-A. Yes, sir. Q. And Chase told him that when it blew over to come back?-A. No; the overseer said he might come back; that he might not be ashamed to work for him.

Q. Did you not say, when you were telling the story before, that he told him he need not be ashamed?-A. Yes, sir.

Q. What man told you that he had to vote as Chase said he should? -A. Charles Bell, a Frenchman-that is the English of it-I do not know what his other name is. He lived in the second house from mine. Joseph Geear, junior. In fact there are a number of them, but I cannot repeat the names.

Q. Can you give the names of any of the others who told you that?— A. I do not know that I can; but I can give you seven or eight names of those who voted who had no right to vote.

Q. Let us have those.-A. Joseph Seymour, Joe Geear, sr., Joe Geear, jr.; then there is this Bell; he is compelled to vote, and has no legal right to vote.

Q. Is there anybody else whose name you can give?-A. I know them, but cannot give their names; in. fact, the most of them are French, and, according to law, they cannot any of them vote.

Q. What was it that Chase did in regard to trying to get your son to vote before he was of age?-A. He put his name on the list. Mr. Chase wishes to carry the spring election particularly. Until last fall, he was not particular how we voted for governor. In the spring he wants to be assessor and wants to carry the town.

Mr. McDONALD suggested to the witness to exclude from his statement any reference to the spring election.

Mr. BLAIR. I suggest that it is rather unfair when the witness has gone into all these wholesale accusations about Mr. Chase that we should not inquire into them because they have no reference to a State election.

By Mr. BLAIR:

Q. Was it at a local or town election when he wanted to have your son go and vote?-A. It was.

Q. It was not at a State election ?-A. No.

He put his name on, and

I said he had better not go. In fact, there were a good many boys who

did go.

Q. You think that Mr. Chase knew that he was not twenty-one years of age?-A. Yes, sir; he did. He did not pay any tax.

Q. How many men did you steal from Mr. Chase?-A. I will tell you. He was standing at the counter. Before town-meeting day I worked all my might; but that day I never left the counter.

Q. You say you stole some men from him?-A. I got them to go previous to the opening of the polls. I asked them to put the tickets in, and that is all I could depend upon.

Q. Who were your men ?-A. All that were in favor of General Butler; they were my men, I guess.